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Old 01-30-2004, 11:55 PM   #1
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Asbestos and Lead Pipes

Can anyone tell me whether or not Airstreams were manufactured using either asbestos or lead pipes?

If so do you know what year(s) and model(s)?
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Old 01-31-2004, 12:24 AM   #2
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A lot of the 60's & older trailers had asbestos in the floor tile (VAT). There have been many discussions here (& some good informational links) that you may want to perform a search a browse thhrough them.

I haven't seen/heard anything about lead pipes though...maybe someone else has ~

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Old 01-31-2004, 12:37 AM   #3
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lead pipes

Lead pipes in a trailer thats a good one. Asbestos in the tiles is no problem unless you purposely try to make a lot of dust when removeing them.
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Old 01-31-2004, 07:27 AM   #4
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lead is a component of both the copper plumbing and the solder used to connect it together in the older coaches.

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Old 01-31-2004, 10:41 AM   #5
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Lightbulb tell-tale signs

You can tell, as a general rule, if you have the tiles without asbestos by the size of the tile.
The size "without asbestos" is 12x12 inches.
The reason for that is, when the new federal regulation banned the use of asbestos as an ingredients, the 9x9 inch tile were no longer manufactured.
This new size was mandated to avoid confusion as to whether or not you were getting new tiles with asbestos.
I believe that to still hold true today`

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Tile size?

Are you sure? I thought it was the other way, the 99 contained asbestos and the 1212 didn't.
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Old 01-31-2004, 11:04 AM   #7
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Lightbulb one way to check...

100 % sure that's true but, you know, I've been known to have a case of brain fart too..At least it wasn't me that messed up the measurements on the "Hubble"..lmao

Maybe this my day for an attack...anyway,
if I'm wrong..sorry..just reverse the size...

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1. 53FlyingCloud was my original source on this I believe. 9X9 is the asbestos stuff (http://www.asbestosresource.com/asbestos/tile.html). 12X12 is okay generally unless very very old -- hard to find in Airstreams. Some old rolled vinyl had asbestos.

2. Lead and water consumption: Modern solders (last 20-30 years??) no longer contain lead. The point: Do not use house hot water or trailer hot water for human consumption. The hot water dissolves contaminants better and has a somewhat higher concentration of metals, plastic contaminants. Use cold water for beverages, soups -- even when at home. This is the acknowledged best practice in food science.
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Thanks for that...I thought I was going to have to give up my glass of wine..lol

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Your dyslexia is acting up...I agree with Canoe stream 9"x9" most likely has asbestos ~ 12"x12" usually doesn't.

BTW...wine this early???

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Little did I know...my brain works one way and, these darn fingers type another..hmmm
I've been around you folks too much...lmao

slapping bad fingers...!~!~

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Airstream appears to have gone from copper direct to polybutylene (the grey stuff). I do not know exactly when, but somewhere in the 70's. However, it is very likely that ANY copper plumbing in an Airstream will have lead solder.

One also needs to consider the water fixtures themselves. Some studies done about 10 years ago determined that much of the lead in water was leached from the faucets themselves. Brass and copper plumbing both used to have lead added to make them more maleable. Still do, I believe, although the amounts are far less. The effects apparently can be reduced to a near nullity by simply letting a small amount of water run before collecting it for use.

And as long as we are being paranoid, asbestos and lead used to be added to just about everything. Lead oxide as a pigment, asbestos as a binder, filler, and insulator. One wonders about the old Zolotone paints, plastic laminates, trim paints, etc., etc.

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As for the lead pipes, I don't believe Airstream ever used lead pipes. My coach originally had cast iron waste water plumbing. The way I figure, it lost about 250 pounds from behind the axle when I replaced it all with ABS. The drain valve under the commode was so rusted and a big mass of solid rust and iron that I had to cut it out with my angle grinder. Man did that feel good to pull all of that out.

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cast iron?

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That's really strange-my '59 Tradewind had all plastic drain piping, except for the p-trap under the shower and the brass valve at the bottom of the black tank.
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