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Old 12-09-2012, 10:51 AM   #15
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OK, I will call Linda Monday.

In the meantime if anyone has a 70s with a rear window can you measure the length of the roller and better yet post a photo?
The length that Zip Dee is concerned with is not the fabric or rail length, it's the distance between the mounting points of the arms. The fabric length is a function of this, based on hardware size at the ends of the tube, ie a couple of inches less. The reason they do it this way is to assure the arm mounts are attached to something structural & not just .032" skin material.
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:27 AM   #16
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The reason they do it this way is to assure the arm mounts are attached to something structural & not just .032" skin material.
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The rear window awning is the exception to this rule, and for this purpose they use a hinge of a different design ( 3 hole oval) from all the other hinges (3 hole triangular) that does just attach to the skin.

I think I can confirm the roller length by using the mounting points for the rear window support wires sockets. They are mounted on the window frame. That will in turn determine the placement of the C awning arms which, working backwards, should tell me the width of the roller. Which will probably turn out to be 47 inches (as Andy said in the first place).

Still looking for somebody to run out in the cold and measure the length of their roller on their 70 something rear awning. That's all I need
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:33 AM   #17
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The rear window awning is the exception to this rule, and for this purpose they use a hinge of a different design ( 3 hole oval) from all the other hinges (3 hole triangular) that does just attach to the skin.

Still looking for somebody to run out in the cold and measure the length of their roller on their 70 something rear awning. That's all I need
I'll be at the shop later this evening. I'll measure one there.
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Old 12-09-2012, 11:44 AM   #18
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I'll be at the shop later this evening. I'll measure one there.
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That would be great. In the meantime I'm going to do some more measuring.
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Old 12-09-2012, 12:37 PM   #19
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I think I can confirm the roller length by using the mounting points for the rear window support wires sockets. They are mounted on the window frame. That will in turn determine the placement of the C awning arms which, working backwards, should tell me the width of the roller. Which will probably turn out to be 47 inches (as Andy said in the first place).

Still looking for somebody to run out in the cold and measure the length of their roller on their 70 something rear awning. That's all I need
So, I went out and checked measurements the window frame is 45" wide. If the awning arm wire support sockets are mounted to the window frame as per Zipdee instructions the arms would be flush to the outside of the window frame . Unless I am missing something this would indicate a 45" not a 47" roller. A 45" roller would also avoid having to deal with the curve of the skin which starts close to a point in line with the end of the window frame. A 45" roller would also place the hinge above a rib with better support. A 47" roller would require mounting the awning support wire socket into the skin next to the window frame and the hinges laterally off the rivet lines. Both of which only are only supported by the skin.

Not going to cut anything yet
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I have an A&E awning on the rear of my 75. The roller is 47 and the fabric is 45. The zipdee has larger end pieces and could be a smaller roller.
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Old 12-09-2012, 01:31 PM   #21
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I'll be at the shop later this evening. I'll measure one there.
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Thanks Colin,
While you got your ruler out can you tell me how wide the window frame is,
Where the awning arm wire support sockets are mounted and where the awning arms hinges are in relationship to the rivet line.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:12 PM   #22
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Well it's turned cold out so I will wait a bit before I do the install. That buys me a little time. Maybe someone who has a 70s can still measure the roller tube, 47" or 45"? I called up Zipdee. They were not much help this time around. They said the roller tube should equal the width of the fabric. I have a Zipdee 45" fabric. I don't know for sure it came from a rear window but it looks like it.
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1970 rear

here are some pics hope they help. Been some time for pics hope they are OK
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Geezernbabe,
It's a bit hard to read the measurement from the tape but it looks like roller is about 45 1/2" which makes more sense to me than a 47" awning. Also the awning rail is mounted upside down to raise the roller a bit higher which is what I was planning. With the arms flush to the sides of the window frame, the awning support wire sockets are mounted on the window frame and the at least one hinge rivet on the rivet line. Do I have this right? None of this would be possible with a 47" roller width.

It also looks like the roller, alumaguard and awning fabric are all about the same width?

Was this a Airstream or Zipdee install?

Incidentally I stopped off and saw a 80 something Excella today with a longer roller. Both ends of the roller were hanging free in space. I don't think this looked nearly as aesthetic as well as being prone to snagging.

This is very helpful. Thanks
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Old 12-11-2012, 07:45 PM   #25
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We put on a a new 47" Blue Fancy on our 72 International in Jan 2011. We had it measured at ODM and ordered it from them where it was installed. The receipt says 47" Window Awning, part number 1WA47.
The frame has a 11/71 stamped into the "A" up front so the measurement should apply. Cost complete with everything was $344 back then.
Give them a call as it was delivered from Zip Dee in about 5 days after being ordered.

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We put on a a new 47" Blue Fancy on our 72 International in Jan 2011.

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I guess the question this brings up is what does the 47" measurement refer to? The roller? the awning fabic? The total width including the awning arm heads?

Are the ends of the awning rail free floating?

I did call Zipdee but they could not tell me what the awning roller measurement should be.

My window frame is 45" wide on my 71. I think a 72 should be the same.

If you do some measurements and post a few pics it would help me as well as others in the future
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Yes the fabric is 45 and the rail 45 1/2. I ordered it from zipdee and installed it myself. As I posted before I moved the lights up some and it fits a lot cleaner. My guess is the 47 is overall. The fab and alumagaurd are the same width. Roller 1/2" longer
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Colin from NY went out and measured a bunch of 70s rear window awnings. In each case the awning width was 45" and the roller length 45 1/2" The overall width including the head castings was 47 3/4". He found no measurement of 47". He proposes a 47" awning is just a designation like a 2x4 is not 2"x 4". I'll drink to that. Attached are his photos.
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