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Old 06-24-2006, 12:48 AM   #15
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I'm always open to new products and techniques. In fact I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the manufacturer of the skins themselves....that being ALCOA!!! They make their own polishing products and make one fine sealant product also. It made a big difference on the wheels of my MoHo and I plan to also use it on my newly polished bumper.
Alcoa's polish line is sold through a distributor called CLB Enterprises, is available on airstream.com, and is supposed to work well.

http://www.detailguys.com/nw43.shtml

I'm going to guess that Alcoa had CLB create and manufacture the polish- Alcoa has a huge business and taking on something as small as this is going to eat up time and energy that they need other places, but a smaller company would be able to exist and profit nicely from having the endorsement of Alcoa on any aluminum related product.

The aircraft people I asked about it- months ago- said that it worked well, came in big buckets, and was reasonably cost effective. The large quantities and pricing are what I'm used to buying or making up- 5 gallon paint buckets full of polish. If you plan on working this way, you can order the buckets and split it with 3-4 other guys who are polishing at the same time to offset costs. I've stored mine for a long time as well- but you HAVE to get a total seal and in the right environment, otherwise it goes bad. The paint buckets that these polishes come in are not meant for long term storage.

Thanks for bringing up Alcoa Polish as a viable alternative Lewster.
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Old 06-24-2006, 12:50 AM   #16
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........ I want to see if I can replicate, with an affordable way, to be able to do as they do. It takes some investigation, some crafty buying and planning, but its surely easier and less expensive ........
The meat and potatoes of this post after filtering out the ing.

What a wonderful idea. If you (or anyone else) can come up with (make/engineer/adapt/etc.) something that will work easier and cheaper, I don't think anyone here is opposed to that and will welcome it.

I agree 100% that the tried and true methods/products most people use are expensive - but I see the evidence that they work. If you read enough threads, you will see that there are plenty of free thinkers (including myself) that are trying/using different products. Some work, some don't, but we keep trying and experimenting and sharing our experiences.

Why expend so much energy bashing the tried and true methods/products? Drop the negativity and I think more people would listen to what you have to contribute.

You were joking about the weedwacker thingamajiggy, but what's out there already that could utilize a small stack of buffing wheels with a little re-engineering? Like I said earlier, my manual says straight line (rubbing with the grain) is best - I've done it and found it to be true. A buffing wheel mounted into my polisher and used on edge around the windows also works great.

Anyone tried an inline sander with a buffing pad? Probably moves to fast, but could one be altered to work slower? Airmark is patented I'm sure, but would it be possible to create a homemade version that would work with a standard air compressor? At a much lower cost?

Some weird and wild ideas maybe, but with a little discussion maybe the group could come up with something that will work. I'm fairly new here, but that's what I see this forum is for. Encouragement of each other and sharing information - POSITIVELY. I think you have experience and knowledge we could benefit from, we just don't want to have to weed through all the negative posts to find it.
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Old 06-24-2006, 01:39 AM   #17
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Who's bashing who?

I came here 2 years ago- and was hammered for suggesting another route- people called me lazy, that I wanted someone else to do the work for me.

I was so discouraged about helping people learn what I was learning, that I dropped off for a year- and am ready to go again. People in the aircraft industry laugh at the way the trailer people polish- am I wrong for showing it as a waste of time? That there is a better way, less damaging system, that takes 80% less man hours?

I've done it, seen it with my own eyes, performed it, and own what I wanted. I have done it with more than one trailer, and on more than just trailers- and I'm still the only one here who has invested the time and the money to do such a thing- unless another member has bought equipment- please let me know.

Even now- a moderator discourages the discussion. Read between the lines. I have absolutely no credibility- maybe when Uwe- who seems like the next person to step out of the 200 hour polishing box and try the way the pro's use- gets his story out- people will see the light...

There is a lot at stake- there is a small company that is supported by this cottage industry. They feel threatened that if the brainwashed minds that support them wander to a better way, they're going to lose out. So be it- I have no stake either way- I just see what the result and time taken was.
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Old 06-24-2006, 01:55 AM   #18
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Evidence-

What more do you need? And these guys don't come for a month, they're in and out in a couple days- the right equipment makes it possible...

I think the P and S one was cleared after, thats what they seem to specialize in. Its not as shiny as a result.

http://www.pandstrailerservice.com/pics/Gorlesky001.jpg

Anybody know who Forrest Bone is? No, not Gump...

http://www.airmarktools.net/detailin...ulsa/bone.html

I don't see where the conflict or even a discussion is warranted, this is the way to go... But 25 hours instead of 150-200 is just my opinion and choice. I have a lot of other things to do besides shine my trailers- like camp?
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You were joking about the weedwacker thingamajiggy, but what's out there already that could utilize a small stack of buffing wheels with a little re-engineering? Like I said earlier, my manual says straight line (rubbing with the grain) is best - I've done it and found it to be true. A buffing wheel mounted into my polisher and used on edge around the windows also works great.

Anyone tried an inline sander with a buffing pad? Probably moves to fast, but could one be altered to work slower? Airmark is patented I'm sure, but would it be possible to create a homemade version that would work with a standard air compressor? At a much lower cost?

Some weird and wild ideas maybe, but with a little discussion maybe the group could come up with something that will work. I'm fairly new here, but that's what I see this forum is for. Encouragement of each other and sharing information - POSITIVELY. I think you have experience and knowledge we could benefit from, we just don't want to have to weed through all the negative posts to find it.
I've rigged this up and stacked 3 pads- it works but its hell- still WAY better than a Cyclo, as the surface is treated the same way as a drum/barrel polisher works.

See the 2nd and 3rd photos down on the right side-

http://www.thepolishingguru.com/barryswebsite.html

The nice thing about it was that you could set up a piece of angle aluminum clamped to a bench or table, and use it to clean the pad very easily- and the pads wear very nicely. You get a LOT of use out of them, and NO swirl marks like with a rotating buffer head. He has a $29 Harbor Freight buffer, which maybe lasts him a year if he's lucky. You do NOT need to press hard or exert a lot of pressure on this system- look at Barry- no powerhouse, just an average guy with a little ingenuity..
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I have deleted a couple of messages in this thread as unnecessary and off-topic. These Forums are about sharing empirical information regarding our experiences and the experience of others regarding a variety of subjects. Just because someone is successful at an endeavor doesn't mean that it's appropriate; nor does a lack of perceived appropriateness make it necessarily wrong.

Please feel free to continue the discussion, but do it in such a way as to bring empirical evidence to it rather than trying to make judgement calls on the "rightness" or "wrongness" of using a specific item for a specific task.

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Old 06-24-2006, 09:10 AM   #21
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Have fun with this info guys. My stuff is shiny. I have enough to do without being harassed- I'm out...
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Old 06-24-2006, 09:45 AM   #22
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Wow - Polishing as a Religion

I'm late to this thread, but I have to say that I am sorta surprised at the whole tone of the posts. Flame away.

My old man used to say, "for each their own". If your technique works and you get good results, who cares how you got there.

One manufacturer that I did not see listed here was lakecountrymfg.com I bought my three types of pads from them and they hooked me up with a good deal on nuvite. Guess what, it works pisser! I broke down and bought a cyclo this year and guess what, it looks even better!

It works for me. I'm glad to see others have their own techniques and they have shiny campers.

At the end of the day, all I say to my wife, in my best Austin Powers voice, " Hey baby, do you like it polished..."

Keep it piffi

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Right!

Muddy,
I couldn't agree with you more on the part where it works for you, go for it.
The idea in this and all other threads should be sharing experiences and maybe finding better ways to do things. New or old ideas should not be attacked, no personal agenda or personality problems should spoil the value of a thread. Different methods do not need to be defended as if they were gospel, either.
We can only grow and learn if we are open to new methods, even if they're not new to other industries, merely getting adapted and refined for our purpose.
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Ok, In plain English please....for a non-mechanical female. Bought my first Airstream, 1969 Caravel. It was professionally polished 5 yrs ago. I would like to bring it to a high shine....what do you recommend?
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Ok, In plain English please....for a non-mechanical female. Bought my first Airstream, 1969 Caravel. It was professionally polished 5 yrs ago. I would like to bring it to a high shine....what do you recommend?
It depends very much on teh current condition of the metal.
Are you planning on doing this yourself, or farming it out to a polishing service?
If you want to do it yourself, then more than likely you will have to do some light compounding first, to remove the dull corrosion. You might be able to just do this step only, it will give you a shine, although with swirl marks. You can also use theh compounder with finer polish as a second step, and see how it comes out.
Take a look at these links:
www.perfectpolish.com
www.vintagetrailersupply.com
Both have good basic information on how to get started.
You will have to buy some tools and polish. Why not do a forum search with teh terms "polish" "Nuvite" Compounder" Cyclo", etc. You will get huge results, and much information that way.
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I've rigged this up and stacked 3 pads- .....
I'd like to see that - did you chuck that into a drill or what? You say it works, but its h*** - hard on the user or what?

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The nice thing about it was that you could set up a piece of angle aluminum clamped to a bench or table, and use it to clean the pad very easily- and the pads wear very nicely. You get a LOT of use out of them.... He has a $29 Harbor Freight buffer, which maybe lasts him a year if he's lucky.....
More info here please - I noticed that when I did my front window the other day, that my buffing pad was caking up. What's the best way to get rid of that? What buffing pads do you recommend? I've got the same cheapo HF buffer.
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Thanks...I have bookmarked the sites. I figured since the Caravel is not in really bad condition, I will try to make it a family project and put the grandkids to work...maybe pull a little Tom Sawyer, like painting a fence.
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just watch that the grandkids don't get overly enthusiastic and 'polish' scratches into the skin.

This thread is kinda like the one on walbernize and waxes. To each their own. My Airstream got my special treatment and it always looked great.
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