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Old 05-03-2005, 05:39 PM   #15
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Well?,,,,

I started (again - I had to restrip the trailer, as I had a small amount of paint residue on that prevented the polishing to really start) to do my 26ft Argosy TT. I had been using 3m medium grit "perfect polish" before. I bought a bottle of Heavy Metal Red Course grit, as I decided the 3m wasn't cutting enough with some of the really hard stuff up higher on the trailer.

My verdict - I polished 2/3's of the curbside today in 2 hrs. with my Black and Decker 1/2" drill and polishing bonnet. My final system so far. Cut with the Heavy metal (sometimes twice) and then go over it with the 3m stuff.

Observations: The Heavy Metal is great stuff! It cuts SO FAST - BUT (and it's a biggy) - it is a bit labor intensive to use. I can only do about 2ft x 2ft section at a time. I rub it on lightly with a cloth, and then compound over it with my drill. If I spread too much, it dries too quickly, and then it won't come off unless I put a tad more fresh HM over it (really pretty easy, thou). You really don't need to go over it too much, it cuts on the first pass of the drill. It's great for scratches or heavily oxidized stuff. I had multiple scratches from using the scotchbrite on the skin. They're gone like that!

Conversly, the 3m stuff is a dream to use. I put just about two dabs on the aluminum, lightly squeeze the trigger, spread the compound around withthe bonnet, and then compound. The 3m goes much faster then the rub on by hand, follow by the drill routine with the Heavy Metal. (Standing on the ground it's not so bad, but then you have to climb up / down the latter a couple of times to do just a 2x2 section!).

I've come to the conclusion that there are maybe 3 different types of aluminum on the trailer - slightly grained on the sides, totally smooth on the door and front wraps, and a heavy gadge on the rear upper and lower wraps. They all polish a bit differently, but the Argosy is shining.

I do have a small amount of swirls, but according to the Perfect Polish site (and common sense), this is to be expected. I'm going to try the fine grades of Heavy metal and / or 3M (leaning towards the 3m) with a foam bonnet for the finish work.

Camera coming any time between tomorrow and Friday - I'll post pics later!
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Old 05-03-2005, 10:00 PM   #16
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I agree, it is a bit harder to use and that is the down side. It's runny, that's the dealio right there.

I did a bit more than half with the Nuvite and now I hope to bust out the rest in a few days with the Heavy Metal. we'll see. But, I will have to finish with either the HM Medium or Fine. That will be the final verdict. I may end up doing the final with the Nuvite S. Not sure yet. Maybe I should do some comparisons for the finer grades next?
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Old 05-03-2005, 10:07 PM   #17
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It might do that, actually. The Southern Shine has no other grits. (Sounds funny!) I'm not sure what they expect you to do for final polish.

The Nuvite and the Heavy Metal has other grits and I could finish those out.
The SS looks to be made from green rouge- the medium grit. It seems to work well from other posts in the past- and they included photos. The thing I noticed and is used here at the airport as well is that you can adjust the action by changing pads- a 3M soft pad will obviously cut less than the coarse wool. That may be whats necessary to finish up, but I like the green HM on a 3M coarse wool idea, followed by the light blue on a 3M soft pad. Any swirls should probably be dealt with using the foam pads and the ultra fine polish.

If anyone tries this method using the different pads and HM green and white before I do, please send along the results- anxious to get going, but I have hope that someone will guinea pig it for me in advance-
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Old 05-03-2005, 10:21 PM   #18
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Good job, Marc, I can't wait to see pictures! You'll be blinding us all at the next rally
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Old 05-05-2005, 11:54 AM   #19
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Have you finished a large panel with the Heavy Metal yet? Anxious to see what it looks like, and do you plan to use the green after the red, or the blue? It doesn't look scratchy at all, but I know that the red rouge is coarse and there should be some kind of abrasion left from it requiring a finer pass with a soft or foam pad. If not, I'm shocked, and happy that one and done can happen.

Are you able to return the unused nuvite or the cyclo? I have found a place near me that sells the HM for $20 a bottle, and as one testimony said, a 28' trailer was polished using 1 bottle. I'm assuming I'll need 2 just in case, so $40 for polish, $60 for 3M pads, and I'm ready to get going. Now just the time is holding me back.

Speaking of time- do you think that the 3 days of steady hard work can get the trailer shined up and looking good? Based on what your test shows in 3 minutes, and what I've seen others do, if a buffer and the right polish are used, a $100 expense and a 3 day job is a HUGE improvement over the other way.

Oh, and thanks for taking the time to get the truth out there!
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Old 05-05-2005, 12:36 PM   #20
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I'm using the red - it gets shiney, but with the degree of oxidation (even with paint over the aluminum- I'm doing an Argosy) it takes two passes of HM followed by a pass or two of 3m to really get the depth. I'll call it 80% shine right now. I'll be passing with either fine grit perfect-it by 3M, or HM blue. I'm still not sure which.

The HM works fast, but maybe too fast. It dries so quickly, that one can only do a small portion at a time. Even if you could spread it out larger (which I did try), then it dries too quickly to buff off. Once it dries, it takes another application to get it off. I'm done with the curbside for now (heavy cutting), and have 1/3 of a bottle left. I bought it for $9.99 at the local Les Schwab dealer here (tire dealer). The 3m goes a long way. I'm MAYBE 1/2 through my bottle.

I'm also going to try the medium cut 3M that I have with a foam bonnet to see if that's gentle enough for the final pass. I do have some swirls now. If not, I'll get either of the two products mentioned.
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Old 05-05-2005, 01:34 PM   #21
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I can almost guarantee that the medium and the foam are not a proper match. That would be comparable to using a soft wiping cloth because I want to be careful not to scratch, but use Comet or Ajax to clean with. I'd try the fine with it, as you'll impregnate the grit into the pad and its then trashed.

Disclaimer- I have NOT done this yet, but it just makes sense to me from what I've researched.

Also, at the cost you gave, I'm sure the price is much better for the HM than the 3M, and you must be talking about a 8 oz bottle, correct?

I also learned that humidity affects how long the liquid lasts before drying, and that can vary- we're very humid here, so its feasible to expect longer working times and larger areas to buff.
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Old 05-05-2005, 02:17 PM   #22
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Where do you get Heavy Metal?

I hope folks wont mind--I'm repeating this question for the third time. Right now it sounds like a version of fairy dust! I guess I don't have magic, since I don't know where I can get either fairy dust or Heavy Metal!
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where to get Heavy Metal

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I hope folks wont mind--I'm repeating this question for the third time. Right now it sounds like a version of fairy dust! I guess I don't have magic, since I don't know where I can get either fairy dust or Heavy Metal!

Found it here.
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Thanks, Dave!
Bought a bottle of the blue and the green from them yesterday, myself - just want to see what they'll do. Thinking about using it to refurb my rims.
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Old 05-05-2005, 06:48 PM   #26
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Cost is really about even

HM - bottle is a bit smaller than 3M - I'm not exactly sure as they are not infront of me. 3M is $12/bottle, HM $10.00 / bottle. Seems about even.
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Still super cheap

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HM - bottle is a bit smaller than 3M - I'm not exactly sure as they are not infront of me. 3M is $12/bottle, HM $10.00 / bottle. Seems about even.
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When you compare the time savings that should be there, the fact that its possibly going to cost 20% as much as nuvite, and the fact that no cyclo is needed- price can't be beat, and its looking like a real time saver. I knew when the airport workers were doing it in a few days, there had to be a way that anyone could. This is appearing to be it!
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Old 08-26-2007, 01:18 PM   #28
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Hello Folks,

I am in the polishing stage on my 1964 Overlander. I used the one pound can of Nuvite. I was able to finish approximately one-fourth of my AS using the entire can.
I read about the HM polish. I have just ordered the polish from the factory (www.heavymedelpolish.com. I ordered one 16 oz. bottle of each of thr three different grades, The costs was $19.95 for each 16 oz. bottle and a total of $8.00 shipping (OR. to s. FL).
I would like info about the 3M polishing bonnets, as my 7" buffer eats the teery cloth bonnets quickly.
Thanks to All for All the info,

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