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wbrownrr · 06-11-2005, 05:46 PM

Andy,
I'm looking forward to hearing about the results of your testing with Evershield. I'm curious, is it applied over plasticoat or must it be applied to bare aluminum?

ALANSD · 06-12-2005, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Thompson

I am in the process of trying Liquid Glass to protect polished castings such as clearance light bases. I have also tried Zoop Seal which is much more expensive, $125 for the kit. The Zoop Seal did OK on some applications but only mediocre on others. I have no idea why! Maybe it was the way I was holding my mouth when I applied it! I won't be buying more Zoop Seal, but the Liquid Glass looks promising.

On my lower panels where I stripped off the grey paint last year, I had polished them out, not to mirror shine but still reflective and shiny. I coated with two coats of LG, and by this summer they were still looking good but not as shiny as when done. With a small application of wax remover then metal polish the shine easily returned and I have resealed with LG. Curious to see how others fare with this stuff. I am now using it on my 78 911 as well.

Inland RV Center, In · 06-12-2005, 12:27 PM

wbrowmrr.

I am not aware of any paint, that can be applied over dead paint, and make anything other than a horrible mess.

Refinishing an Airstream can be time consuming, but you must start with the bare metal.

Also, it is far better to have the metal prepared for painting, seal "all" the seams, and then, paint it. In that way, the paint keeps the sealers in great shape.

Bob Thompson.

I have never seen Parbond result in a poor finish as you show in your photo.
Perhaps something may have been defective with it.

Andy

wahoonc · 06-12-2005, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Inland RV Center, In

Bob Thompson.

I have never seen Parbond result in a poor finish as you show in your photo.
Perhaps something may have been defective with it.

Andy

Andy,
I have had the same results with mine...I wonder if the forumulation may have changed? I am going to clean mine out and put a thin bead of Vulkem in...with blue masking tape

Aaron

gotair · 06-14-2005, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wbrownrr

Andy,
I'm looking forward to hearing about the results of your testing with Evershield. I'm curious, is it applied over plasticoat or must it be applied to bare aluminum?

I saw a 1/4 in thick piece of steel treated with this stuff that was heated with a torch untill the other side had a heat mark on it and the evershield was not affected...I met Mr. Stewart at an airshow where I saw the product used on all types of metals including painted metal however you have to keep in mind it wont heal cancer... contact danrstewart@verizon.net or www.stewartshanger21.aero there is some information at anoter site for evershield ceramic surface treatment... good luck ...

Dan

Bob Thompson · 06-15-2005, 08:17 AM

I just wanted to confirm that Dan "gotair2" is my source for the Evershield information. If this product works out as well as expected, we will all owe him a big "thank you"!
Way to go, Dan!

AirHeadRik · 06-16-2005, 10:51 PM

I actually have some of this stuff as I know the guys from ALSA. I used their Ghost Chrome on my Triumph.

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Originally Posted by Herb Spies

See http://alsacorp.com/products/mirrach...a_prodinfo.htm

gotair · 06-17-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wahoonc

Andy,
I have had the same results with mine...I wonder if the forumulation may have changed? I am going to clean mine out and put a thin bead of Vulkem in...with blue masking tape

Aaron

mine looks worse than that in some spots ... i found water in the joints after i had already started applying it... In the areas where it was dry it looks much better and where there was water it looks worse than those photos..it will all have to come off..

Ernie2007 · 06-23-2005, 04:59 PM

Here is the link to EverShield Tech Data Sheet : http://www.nationalsealants.com/Evershield%20TDS.pdf#search='evershield'

I just spent a few minutes with the Deft industrial division this morning - they specialize in military aircraft coatings. They recomended stripping first - the service manual from Airstream secretariat (approx $75.00) can tell you how; it is worth the bucks - a fund of info. - then appling AlumaPrep 33 and Alodine 1200** but without knowing the kind of aluminum on the trailer they would not recomend the finish product. AlumaPrep is a cleaner and brightner restorer of oxidized surfaces. I seem to remember that Alodine coatings while providing corrosion protection will create a blotchie surface. Once I find out the type of aluminum used on my 86 Limited, I'll talk to Deft again and the update this site. Alodine 1001 is a clear finish while 1200 is golden.

A few months ago I spoke to Airstream's corp sales manager and he indicated that they had solved the peeling problem by having Alcoa apply the new coating with a UV protectant componet in the Alcoa factory and then assemble the coated skin at AS.

** there is no such thing as a "clear alodine 1200" coating. Alodine 1200, 1200s and 600 are all MC (multicolor coatings) chemfilms. If you request 1200, you will get a colored coating. If you requested clear however, you will get an alodine 1500 or an alodine 1000 (these are CC, or colorless coatings). Alodine 1200 is very toxic. And,

Alodine 1200 is a Chromate Conversion Coating, which contains hexavalent chromium. Alodine 1200 is intended to provide corrosion prevention when left unpainted as well to improve adhesion of paint finish systems on aluminum and aluminum alloys. Alodine 1200 is also intended for use as a corrosion preventive film for electrical and electronic applications where lower resistant contacts, relative to Class 1A and anodic coatings, are required. Above information is taken from MIL-C-5541E – Class descriptions.

And

Alodine 5200 is chromate free and is much less toxic than Chromate Conversion Coating. Alodine 5200 is considered environmentally friendly. The Department of Defense approves Alodine 5200 for use for use as a coating substrate only to improve adhesion of paint. It does not provide the corrosion resistance that Alodine 1200 does and should not be used for that purpose. Alodine 5200 is a clear coating only. To our knowledge, at the time of writing this Information Sheet there are no US Military Specifications pertaining directly to Alodine 5200 or non-chrome conversion coatings.

Hope this gives some info you can use. Ernie

Ernie2007 · 06-29-2005, 01:51 PM

I spoke to AFS re EverShield and got the following info:
1. After stripping you need to apply their heavy duty cleaner; they claim will not harm asphalt.
2. Then apply the alumimun etch 10:1 dilution; they claim will not harm asphalt.
3. Then brush on, with a sponge brush, from the bottom up.
4. Wear a NIOSH approved respirator and solvent resistance gloves.
See their web site for more info: http://www.aircraftfinishing.com/evershield.htm

Ernie

gotair · 07-04-2005, 08:36 PM

[QUOTE=Inland RV Center, In]Bob Thompson.

We have ordered some of the Evershield material for testing.

It appears that it can out do Airstreams plasticoat.

The bad news is the cost. One quart from them costs $250.00, and a gallon is $950.00, plus shipping.

The good news is that one quart, "they say" will do a 31 foot Airstream trailer.
They suggest that you "do not" spray it on, but apply it with a fine roller such as you use on interior walls.

This certainly is cheaper than the Airstream plasticoat, which does have a waste factor, in that you must spray it on. Additionally, spray painting is not something that most people can do.

We will report back within a couple of weeks.

Andy[/QUOTE

Just a quick follow up

you were going to get back to us with a report on the performance and ease application what do you think of the product... do you think it would work for an airstream...