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07-13-2010, 11:03 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Currently Looking...
Jupiter
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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When I get to making the exterior presentable - or strip the interior panels vinyl wallpaper coatings and refresh the interior - I will be using some flavor of Alodine... But I think I will let Aircraft Spruce "store" it for me until then
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07-25-2010, 01:02 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1986 34' Excella
Conroe
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 118
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I tried the Rain-X and that did not work at all for very long. I put it on a test section one week ago and water spots already. As a matter of fact the water spots seem harder to remove then just Mineral Spirits alone.
I did get a brain storm and am trying some paraffin on a section to see how long it will last. I realize it is only a wax, but curious minds want to know. It is very soft especially here in Texas, we'll see.
Becky... I am still interested in learning how your tests are going. Water spots are my biggest nightmare. I can't seem to keep up with them.
Keep us informed
Al
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07-25-2010, 03:26 PM
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Rivet Master
1964 17' Bambi II
Vintage Kin Owner
Schererville
, Indiana
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,637
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Archersfin
Becky... I am still interested in learning how your tests are going. Water spots are my biggest nightmare. I can't seem to keep up with them.
Keep us informed
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I just went out with a damp rag to see how the water spots wiped off. The Rain-X section didn't really have any. The Metal Gloss section didn't have any to speak of either. The McGuire's had a few & they didn't wipe off (neither did the bird droppings that streaked down the side! ) I think a lot has to do with the fineness (if that's a word) of the polishing that's done. I know I have areas on my trailer that have a finer finish than others. Those areas that aren't as fine of a finish collect & keep water spots more than the really fine areas. I think I'm going to go over the areas that seem to spot more & try to get them really smooth--like a piece of glass--and then apply the metal gloss to the trailer. I don't know--it's such a crap shoot! I do want to hear about your wax, though. I also want to hear from someone who has used the Alodine product. Anyone know the procedure for applying that product? I may be pressured to try it out if it's not an ordeal to apply it!
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1964 Bambi II
1988 Avion 32S
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07-25-2010, 06:06 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1986 34' Excella
Conroe
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 118
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Alodine 1001
Here is the Tech Spec for the Product Alodine 1001. It sounds like an etching process prior to painting. Please read the area on Polished Aluminum. Plainly states to paint soon after preping to prevent corrosion.
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07-25-2010, 07:24 PM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Currently Looking...
Jupiter
, Florida
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,060
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The above is known; if we are not clear coating then wax as the only defense is not quite working. Pilots I know who do their own work passivate everything using Allodine or similar product as soon as possible once they've fabricated the item.
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07-25-2010, 07:43 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
San Diego
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Join Date: May 2008
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Water Spot Problem
I don't know if anyone has ever tried this on a polished Airstream. I used to use Mr. Clean Auto Carwash System. It is unit that attaches to the garden hose and had soap and a filter in it. The filter part is the part that might help. It is some kind of de-ionizer. You are supposed not to have to dry it...and it won't water spot. (I quit using it because I every time I wash Bambi now I dry it with towels and detail it. I can't wax or polish it if it is wet. Also I do it early in the morning so the sun doesn't dry or water spot it).
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07-29-2010, 05:07 AM
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Rivet Master
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
1969 21' Globetrotter
Conifer
, Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 8,289
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Polished Airstream Weather Protection
Hello Becky,
Your product test indicates rain X and metal polish protected your polished aluminum you worked so hard to achieve. Did these products cloud the polished aluminum? Was the rain X the same product I put on the windshield of my car? The local car wash has a rain x sign in the wash bay, and I wonder if that product is mixed with the rinse water making water bead up on my car.
The Swift aircraft polishing video sold by Nuvite suggest cleaning off the polish residue with corn startch, and then leaving the surfice alone. I suppose the Nuvite polish somewhat fills the pours of the aluminum surface and protects it from corrosion (water spots). This video also recommends keeping your polished aluminum airplane in a hanger. I am finding that sections I clean with lacquer thinner between polish passes tend to water spot more than sections I clean with corn starch.
I was thinking stripping and polishing my 86 34 footer would be a poor man's refinishing of the faded plastic coat. I was willing to do all the work since I work for free. I assumed I could wax my trailer once a year and have it look better. Now I wonder if I have created endless summers behind my polisher?
Need that magic product that will maintain the reflectivity of polished aluminum and protect it from the elements. I'll bet someone has found a product or method that protects their polished Airstream.
David
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07-29-2010, 06:08 AM
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Rivet Master
1964 17' Bambi II
Vintage Kin Owner
Schererville
, Indiana
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,637
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dbj216
Hello Becky,
Your product test indicates rain X and metal polish protected your polished aluminum you worked so hard to achieve. Did these products cloud the polished aluminum? Was the rain X the same product I put on the windshield of my car? The local car wash has a rain x sign in the wash bay, and I wonder if that product is mixed with the rinse water making water bead up on my car.
The Swift aircraft polishing video sold by Nuvite suggest cleaning off the polish residue with corn startch, and then leaving the surfice alone. I suppose the Nuvite polish somewhat fills the pours of the aluminum surface and protects it from corrosion (water spots). This video also recommends keeping your polished aluminum airplane in a hanger. I am finding that sections I clean with lacquer thinner between polish passes tend to water spot more than sections I clean with corn starch.
I was thinking stripping and polishing my 86 34 footer would be a poor man's refinishing of the faded plastic coat. I was willing to do all the work since I work for free. I assumed I could wax my trailer once a year and have it look better. Now I wonder if I have created endless summers behind my polisher?
Need that magic product that will maintain the reflectivity of polished aluminum and protect it from the elements. I'll bet someone has found a product or method that protects their polished Airstream.
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The Rain-X I used was the kind you use on your windows. It didn't seem to cloud the finish. The Metal polish didn't cloud the finish. The McGuires did bring it down a little bit. I can't definatively say that either product will keep water spots off the polished aluminum, because neither has been on there more than 6 weeks.
Stripping & polishing a 34 footer is a HUGE job, but of course you CAN do it! However, I don't know the magic sealer to keep water spots to a minimum (ones that don't require a pass with both a polisher & a cyclo each year). I think that I had worse spots on my polished '86 than the '76 I previously polished. The finished polish job was finer on the '76, so I may try to work on the areas on my '86 that seem to be not as fine a finish--maybe the water hangs up on areas that aren't like glass. I don't know.....
This I do know. You WILL have to go over your polish job at least once a year to keep it up unless you have it clear coated again. But that's not the poor man's way!
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1964 Bambi II
1988 Avion 32S
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07-29-2010, 03:43 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1986 34' Excella
Conroe
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2009
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Maybe the rain has a lot of acid in it here in Texas. None of the products I have tried lasted more than a couple of weeks. I did notice that you are right Becky on the polish job needs to be as good as you can get it. The area's where the polish is really good, not hardly any water spots, and the area's that are not as good water spots a plenty. Looks like I am back to the polisher for a super fine finish if I want to even have a chance to keep the spotting in check.
Thanks for the observation Becky.
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07-29-2010, 04:26 PM
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Rivet Master
1969 31' Sovereign
Broken Arrow
, Oklahoma
Join Date: Jan 2003
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You may not care for this idea but it worked for me.
I was having problems with water spots and had to keep going back over the areas I had polished so I came up with the following after much testing.
After polishing at the end of the day I would go over the polished area with mineral spirits then Turtle Wax and then wipe it down with self rising flour.
After that I never had a problem with water spots and re-waxed with Turtle Wax every spring.
There is a thread "finally got started" that has more info on polishing than you will care to know.
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07-29-2010, 08:20 PM
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Rivet Master
1964 17' Bambi II
Vintage Kin Owner
Schererville
, Indiana
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,637
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garry
You may not care for this idea but it worked for me.
I was having problems with water spots and had to keep going back over the areas I had polished so I came up with the following after much testing.
After polishing at the end of the day I would go over the polished area with mineral spirits then Turtle Wax and then wipe it down with self rising flour.
After that I never had a problem with water spots and re-waxed with Turtle Wax every spring.
There is a thread "finally got started" that has more info on polishing than you will care to know.
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What do you think the self rising flour does? Just curious if there is a chemist or scientist here who would know why self rising flour would make a difference on the finish?
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1964 Bambi II
1988 Avion 32S
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07-30-2010, 01:30 AM
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Rivet Master
2005 22' Safari
Hyde Park Place
, Ohio
Join Date: Jul 2010
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I shined my previous Airstream, then maintained it sneakily. I got one of those house wash hose attachments where I could put a fluid in a chamber and have it mixed with city water. I'd fill that chamber with the rain-x screen wash (the generic Rain-off stuff, usually $1.88/bottle at Walmart) and spray it over the entire body, then brush it over with a long arm soft brush, then spray it again.
I'd do this monthly in summer and every 2 months in cooler weather. It would take maybe 10 minutes to do the whole thing, with two bottles each time.
A great saving of time and money.
I got pretty good results. Rain would always bead off the roof, and wouldn't even bead on the sides, but roll right off. Cleaning bugs was "fairly easy" with a couple of good pre-soaks with the same stuff
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07-30-2010, 12:00 PM
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Archersfin
Maybe the rain has a lot of acid in it here in Texas.
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It could be the opposite of acidic, base, which often means salt. That would be more of an issue in well or surface waters. Anyway, the further you get from Ph 0, the more corrosive it is and, I guess, the more spots.
After following this thread, the problems seem to be with older trailers that can be very shiny rather than newer ones with clear coat. Makes me glad to own a newer, not so shiny, one.
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07-30-2010, 01:42 PM
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Rivet Master
1969 31' Sovereign
Broken Arrow
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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I was told wipe it down with flour and self rising was what I happened to have on hand.
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07-30-2010, 03:00 PM
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Rivet Master
1964 17' Bambi II
Vintage Kin Owner
Schererville
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garry
I was told wipe it down with flour and self rising was what I happened to have on hand.
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But tell me, what purpose does the flour serve? What does it do chemically, or physically? I'm just wondering......
And Gene, yes, the problem is with polished trailers (some not quite so old) that do not have clear coat on them. You're safe!
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1964 Bambi II
1988 Avion 32S
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07-30-2010, 03:35 PM
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Rivet Master
1969 31' Sovereign
Broken Arrow
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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polished
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Originally Posted by garry
You may not care for this idea but it worked for me.
I was having problems with water spots and had to keep going back over the areas I had polished so I came up with the following after much testing.
After polishing at the end of the day I would go over the polished area with mineral spirits then Turtle Wax and then wipe it down with self rising flour.
After that I never had a problem with water spots and re-waxed with Turtle Wax every spring.
There is a thread "finally got started" that has more info on polishing than you will care to know.
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I have no idea what the flour is susposed to do. It was one of the things that came up when I was polishing the AS so I tried it along with many many other things and it seemed to help.
I did stop having water spots once I did the above.
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07-30-2010, 04:41 PM
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 12,702
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Mmmm, breaded trailer, fresh baked in the sun. Yummy.
Gene
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07-30-2010, 05:50 PM
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Rivet Master
1965 28' Ambassador
Irving
, Texas
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Being a photographer I used to use a solution of water and glyceryn to prevent my negs from water spotting.I wonder what would happen if someone tried to spray glycerin on the shell and wipe off on a small spot to see how long it lasts.When water hits it it sheets off,but I don't know how long it would stay on the wax.Worth at try.
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07-30-2010, 07:18 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1986 34' Excella
Conroe
, Texas
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 118
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bwaysteve
Being a photographer I used to use a solution of water and glyceryn to prevent my negs from water spotting.I wonder what would happen if someone tried to spray glycerin on the shell and wipe off on a small spot to see how long it lasts.When water hits it it sheets off,but I don't know how long it would stay on the wax.Worth at try.
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Where would I get the glycerin at? I'm willing to try anything at this point
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07-30-2010, 07:23 PM
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Rivet Master
2005 22' Safari
Hyde Park Place
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Join Date: Jul 2010
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Archersfin
Where would I get the glycerin at? I'm willing to try anything at this point
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Do you have any friends who make soap? Or local homemade soap makers? Glycerin is a waste product of soap manufacture. They may give it to you for free.
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