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Old 01-17-2015, 12:52 PM   #15
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Sit-Rep #1

Well folks, it got worse.
bent chassis with hack job repair. Entire road side shell was at one time
replaced including first (lowest) end cap section.
It took me a week or two to get over the shock and during that time, though I kept working on the tear down, I almost cut it up for scrap.
Then in a fleeting moment I priced the estimated cost of the roof and end caps parts and labor and figured I was still had about $8,ooo of usable material.
Here is photo "progress"....what you are seeing is about 2/3rd of the chassis
replaced with new metal, both longitudinal's from back to the door and all but 5 of the transverse frames had to go, all but 3 out riggers replaced. New axels, shock mounts and shocks. New floor ready to go in.
Nightmare.
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Old 01-18-2015, 09:13 AM   #16
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Well, you have a major rebuild project going on. Looks like very good progress on the frame. I hope you keep us posted on your rebuild. These old Overlanders deserve resurrection.

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Old 02-01-2015, 09:37 PM   #17
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Here is the latest:
I don't want to bore you with too many details because I learned those from these forums.
All I have to say is that this is both fun and pain full.

The original wheel well's were toast. Ordered new plastic ones...don't fit.
New custom ones should be finished next week.

Until then I'm stalled so I stared cleaning up the seams exterior, every other
thread goes in to this in great detail...and it's always that #@%$ silicone.
I am scraping it off with a fine scraper with out damaging the shell. There will be time for that later....I've done this on multi million dollar motor yachts.

It's get the old garbage off with minimal damage and go after the whole shell with a series of wet sand paper grits for an even finish ... less dust (harmfull) and really fast compared to a rouge wheel that is only for the last "perfect shine" if one so desires.

So you know: This is a "Shell on" re-fit. It is a little more difficult than a "Shell on" but if you don't have the shop and gantry this is how it can be done.

A )only work from one end (your choice) Keep at least 1/4 of the shell attached to the plywood/frame at all times and re-enforce with shell supports and load distribution strops.
B) this trailer is in a spot where it gets high winds, so I have a nice cover with strops that keeps the shell synched and tight for those days. The covers job is to keep it water resistant, but in my case there is so much sharp end that it will be a write off when I'm done with it.

Here's a couple pics. The back of the trailer has been removed (new shell panel sections ready for installation)...this allows for easier access for the new chassis/welder and flooring.

On big ships we will cut a hole in the side of the hull to remove engines and improve worker flow.

you can see in one of the pics that the front of the trailer floor hase yet to be addressed....it is still (flimsily) attached but I would not trust it to hold in a high wind due to rot. There for the supports and strops.
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Old 02-01-2015, 10:03 PM   #18
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You are doing great! I like the c-clamp solution for roof support. Very clever!!!!
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Old 02-02-2015, 06:05 AM   #19
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Maybe your experience with motor yachts helps with Land Yachts? You have built some innovative solutions in your renovations.

Next time I will try the fine grit (like 1000) wet sanding method to remove oxidation from our old Airstreams. I went with the "Jestco" method of cotton buffers and a rouge bar as Nuvite polishes are "out of stock". It may be faster than compounding, but it is sure dirty, dusty. Wet sanding would be messy too, and hard on an old man's shoulder.

Does your Overlander have thinner steel frame rails aft of the axles? My 66 Trade Wind has 3/16 C channels from front to rear. I heard once that the 70s trailers were changed and went with 1/8" steel aft of the axles. Just wondering if in fact that was the case.

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Old 02-14-2015, 09:20 PM   #20
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Wheel Wells etc

Hi All:
I had my bro-in-law over for a few hours to help.
Here's pics.
New custom Aluminum (.09 mil) wheel well's were less expensive than the ABS
ones I ordered and still have (did not fit correctly). I'm considering using
them as "inner wheel" well's (with modifications) with sandwiched insulation
between.
Tomorrow the "bow" flooring comes out....
All attachment of shell to deck is modified with elevator bolts and through bolts.
Time to consider tankage and wiring nearly.
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Old 02-14-2015, 09:32 PM   #21
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Wheel Wells etc

Hi All:
I had my bro-in-law over for a few hours to help.
Here's pics.
New custom Aluminum (.09 mil) wheel well's were less expensive than the ABS
ones I ordered and still have (did not fit correctly). I'm considering using
them as "inner wheel" well's (with modifications) with sandwiched insulation
between.
Tomorrow the "bow" flooring comes out....
All attachment of shell to deck is modified with elevator bolts and through bolts.
Time to consider tankage, insulation and wiring nearly.
Insulation will be rock wall. no foam, no bubble wrap....plenty of posts on that.
Interior shell will be replaced with epoxy impregnated plywood with cedar batons melded with existing c-channels for insulation.
Wish me luck!! But I'm lov'n it.
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Old 02-21-2015, 05:47 PM   #22
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Floor is in!

Last of the floor after the welder came by a couple days ago to replace 4 out riggers forward and beef up this and that.

Just finished bolting/screwing and epoxy all seams, wood C channel substitute around periphery.

Tomorrow cut and fit 3 shell panels forward around the window.
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Old 02-22-2015, 10:45 AM   #23
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what sources are you using to find parts that fit, how to attache them etc. Or do you just have the know how?
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Old 02-22-2015, 11:20 AM   #24
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MontyV:
I've had to go back to my roots as a shipwright.
As for "parts that fit" I make templates, then sleep on
it over night. I enlist the odd trades person for things
like welding.
Twice I've made the assumption that ordering "exact replacement"
parts is 2x expensive.....and they don't fit. So everything must be
custom.
As for knowledge and cautionary tales: It's all here on the Airforums
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Old 02-24-2015, 09:26 PM   #25
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what sources are you using to find parts that fit, how to attache them etc. Or do you just have the know how?
Monty.. if you are figuring your 34 rebuild, cautious documented measurements, removals, and tons of pics will make a difference at 're- assemble"

Oh.. and a good review of previous 'frame off' saga's.
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Old 03-20-2015, 06:30 PM   #26
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Hitting my stride finally

All up to the windows except riveting is done:
Under the white plastic is new "tin" all around.
Replacing the 4 roof hatches now with 2 f-fans,
1 original style galvanized vent and the 1 original
dome skylight.

Wiring and exterior lights ordered today.
Eddy Bauer wheel well trim on order (3 weeks)

Windows are next to be removed and replaced.
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You've been busy! It's a challenge to make progress when you must dodge the weather working outside. You're Overlander will be a completely new "old" Airstream.

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Old 05-10-2015, 09:27 PM   #28
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Awesome to see the Airstream live and up close today! Those two guys with the Caravel need to get it together and go to a rally! Use it or lose it! 35 years untouched! Wow. See you in June or July!
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