Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 11-24-2017, 03:17 PM   #1
3 Rivet Member
 
Acheron2010's Avatar
 
2018 26' Flying Cloud
Morristown , Tennessee
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 137
What Airstream Design Improvements are Needed?

You find yourself in a bar with a nice beverage and the two folks next to you introduce themselves as the lead design engineer and the production manager for Airstream.
You buy them a round of drinks, and politely suggest the most important design change they should consider for new Airstreams.

I'll start. Place high strength swivel wheels on the back end of the chassis to reduce grounding events in uneven surfaces.
__________________

Acheron2010 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 03:26 PM   #2
3 Rivet Member
 
pt.reyesfan's Avatar
 
2016 30' Classic
Naperville , Illinois
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 119
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acheron2010 View Post
You find yourself in a bar with a nice beverage and the two folks next to you introduce themselves as the lead design engineer and the production manager for Airstream.

You buy them a round of drinks, and politely suggest the most important design change they should consider for new Airstreams.



I'll start. Place high strength swivel wheels on the back end of the chassis to reduce grounding events in uneven surfaces.


Waterproof synthetic flooring material versus plywood.

Switch for 100% battery “cut-off.”

Aluminum Frame

Built-in water leak detection system.
__________________

__________________
Ed
2016 Classic (with ProPride)
2016 Silverado 3500HD Diesel drw
1995 & 2004 Gary Fisher Hoo-Koo-e-Koo emergency vehicles
pt.reyesfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 03:34 PM   #3
Rivet Master
 
AWCHIEF's Avatar
 
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi , Mississippi
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 8,283
Images: 33
Use of more light weight composites thru out. Full sized refrigerator. Modular Air Conditioner/heater where the main compressor unit is isolated from the interior. Ergonomic seating.
__________________
MICHAEL

Do you know what a learning experience is? A learning experience is one of those things that says "You know that thing that you just did? Don't do that."
AWCHIEF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 03:42 PM   #4
CRH
Rivet Master
 
1995 25' Excella
xxxxx , xxxxxx
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 1,409
X2 on waterproof floor and aluminum frame.
CRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 03:58 PM   #5
Figment of My Imagination
 
Protagonist's Avatar
 
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over , More Than Anywhere Else
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,635
Quote:
Originally Posted by Acheron2010 View Post
I'll start. Place high strength swivel wheels on the back end of the chassis to reduce grounding events in uneven surfaces.
Devil's Advocate: Swivel wheels will reduce ground clearance, make grounding events more likely as a result, and concentrate the force on the wheel locations instead of spreading the force more-or-less evenly across a wider grounding surface, thus increasing the chance of frame damage.

Suggest that sacrificial (bolt-on, replaceable) skid plates be used instead.
__________________
WBCCI #1105
TAC LA-4

My Google-Fu is strong today.
Protagonist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 04:07 PM   #6
3 Rivet Member
 
2017 27' International
Lake Havasu City , Arizona
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 167
What a great idea for a tread, Acheron! Here's my contribution.

1. Better workmanship. (It's a shame that this even has to be on the wish list, but judging by my experience and that of others, it's badly needed.)
2. Disk brakes and 16" wheels standard.
3. Waterproof floor substrate.
4. 200 watts of solar panels with MPPT charging controller standard; 400 watts optional.
5. 225 amp-hours of AGM batteries standard; 400 or more Ah of lithium batteries optional
6. 12 V compressor refrigerator (e.g., Vitrifrigo, Isotherm, et al.) standard.
7. ProPride antisway/weight distributing hitch optional.
Paprika is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 04:34 PM   #7
Rivet Master
 
SteveSueMac's Avatar

 
2012 27' Flying Cloud
W , New England
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 5,901
An emergency exit DOOR (not window) on all double axle and larger ASes straight from the factory.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f453...od-149123.html
SteveSueMac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 04:46 PM   #8
Figment of My Imagination
 
Protagonist's Avatar
 
2012 Interstate Coach
From All Over , More Than Anywhere Else
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 10,635
3M Crystalline window film standard on all windows and skylights in trailers, and on all windows behind the B-pillars on all Interstate and Atlas motorhomes. Helps block heat transfer through windows, to keep heat out in the summer and keep heat in in the winter.
__________________
WBCCI #1105
TAC LA-4

My Google-Fu is strong today.
Protagonist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 05:07 PM   #9
Dazed and Confused
 
Isuzusweet's Avatar

 
Currently Looking...
1983 31' Airstream310
Hillsburgh , Ontario
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 2,848
Yes, I do sound like a broken record on this:

Coosa Bluewater 26 for a subfloor; 40% lighter than what AS is currently using and for all intents and purposes, waterproof. Non-organic, so won't promote the growth of mold or fungus. Bugs don't like it either.

If not an aluminum frame (wouldn't be much lighter as you'd have to build it out of thicker stock), at least Rhino line or Line-X the steel you use.

Dual heating source with coolant radiators and low consumption muffin/computer fans; sent heated coolant from the insta-hot, hot water heater. Some sort of in floor heat source would be nice while on shore power.

The option of a painted Airstream would be nice for those of us with busy days.

Electric assist motors on the hubs and regenerative braking that could work in conjugation with an electric tow vehicle to ease the strain. (maybe in conjugation with Coosa and other composites in a light weight model?)

Lighter LED wiring, and fibre optical wiring.

Cheers
Tony
__________________
Per Mare, Per Terram and may all your campaigns be successful.

“It’s a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it’s a depression when you lose your own.” "Harry S Truman"
Isuzusweet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 05:11 PM   #10
2 Rivet Member
 
2006 28' International CCD
Houston , Texas
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 37
Heavy duty drawer glides on ALL drawers.

No screws less than 3/4" used anywhere in trailer.

No more mouse fur ... EVER.

Twice the number of self taping screws currently used to secure all storage cabinets suspended from ceiling.

50 amp service standard for all Airstream products.

This thread needs to be sent directly to JS. Great idea Acheron!
28totow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 05:14 PM   #11
3 Rivet Member
 
2018 19' Flying Cloud
Coeur d Alene , Idaho
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 138
Quote:
Originally Posted by pt.reyesfan View Post

Waterproof synthetic flooring material versus plywood.

Switch for 100% battery “cut-off.”

Aluminum Frame

Built-in water leak detection system.
I second all 4 of these and add one more......

Install LED lights that are a warmer color instead of the harsh bright white.
__________________
Dale & Jane

2018 Flying Cloud 19
2003 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab Diesel
KelloggKid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 05:43 PM   #12
Rivet Master
 
2012 19' International
Southeastern MI , Michigan
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 1,357
Bring back the Argosy.
__________________
2018 International Serenity 27' FB
Goodyear Endurance tires
Hensley Arrow hitch

Tow Vehicle: Ford Superduty crew cab 6.2L V8
Countryboy59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 06:13 PM   #13
Rivet Master
 
dbj216's Avatar

 
1986 34' Limited
1975 27' Overlander
Conifer , Colorado
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,026
Images: 1
The frame rails need to be more than adequate for the load and "g" forces they experience on a rough old Interstate at 65 mph. The trailer can't shake apart.

The frame, subfloor, and body need to be strong enough so the trailer can be towed by a 1 ton pickup without worry about body stress cracks and the like.

Bring back the front and rear body mounting plates welded to the frame.

Everyone knows the subfloor is inadequate in plywood.

The frame ought to have a perimeter steel member for better body mounting instead of just mounting the body to the outriggers.

The frame should be e-coated to prevent rust. Many ag machinery producers do this.

Airstream needs to figure out how to prevent exterior seam leaks given the body flexes while towing and then gets cooked in the sun and frozen in the winter. Not easy, but marine and aviation do it.

Improve the rear body to frame seal so it never leaks.

The trailer needs some miracle insulation to counteract the thermo transfer of all that aluminum. Airstreams are hard to cool, and hard to heat. They need to be "four season" trailers.

Give consideration to easy maintenance access for items like dump valves, fresh water drain valves, holding tank vent pipes, batteries, fresh water plumbing and the like.

Think about how to stop mouse infestations.

Bring back the "lifetime warranty" for the frame, subfloor, body, plumbing, electrical and cabinetry. The appliances are limited to the manufacturer's warranty. No one warrants abuse or damage. Airstream ought to have such confidence in what they design and build that they will stand behind the original purchaser for a "lifetime". Maybe it is transferable when the trailer is sold.

David
dbj216 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2017, 06:29 PM   #14
RFP
Rivet Master
 
RFP's Avatar

 
2014 23' International
Hurst , Texas
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 748
Quote:
Originally Posted by Protagonist View Post
Devil's Advocate: Swivel wheels will reduce ground clearance, make grounding events more likely as a result, and concentrate the force on the wheel locations instead of spreading the force more-or-less evenly across a wider grounding surface, thus increasing the chance of frame damage.

Suggest that sacrificial (bolt-on, replaceable) skid plates be used instead.
Absolutely ccorrect. Similar to the damage caused to a g'zillion C6 Corvettes when their owners put little "rollers" under the radiator supports. Bad idea... It's hard to argue with physics !
__________________

__________________
2014 23D International Serenity - "Fortune Cookie"
2015 Ford F150 3.5 EcoBoost, Max Tow - "Cookie Monster"
And some stuff

Fortune Cookie: https://www.flickr.com/photos/rfpd30...57663633667345

"The Black Swan": https://www.flickr.com/photos/rfpd30...57648991024725
RFP is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2017 Airstream Walk Through & Model Year Improvements Colonial Airstream Commercial Listings 23 06-28-2016 11:30 AM
2015 Airstream Model Year Updates and Improvements Colonial Airstream Commercial Listings 132 09-10-2014 05:31 AM
Opinions Needed on Interior Design Issue in 34’ Classic craftsman Full-Timing 23 02-14-2008 07:50 PM
Airstream Product Improvements Craftsman Community Polls 166 02-08-2007 04:00 PM
Website Design Software Advice Needed davidh Off Topic Forum 16 03-28-2006 03:21 PM


Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:07 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.