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Old 06-27-2009, 08:55 PM   #29
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We had a small amount of buckling in our 2005 22' CCD immediately following delivery in 2006. It was a small ridge just in front of the galley cabinets and the refrigerator. I noticed it every time I walked into the Airstream. During our first warranty trip to Jackson Center, the tech said that nothing could be done. The second time, we agreed upon a fix. They spliced the vinyl enough to lay it down in front of the cabinet and finished the edge with some black quarter round. I still notice the repair, but I'm sure that it is not obvious to others.

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Old 06-28-2009, 12:50 AM   #30
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can i assume this problen is with the "plank" style flooring,not the "parquet" style in the safari se's ??
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Old 06-28-2009, 08:08 AM   #31
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can i assume this problen is with the "plank" style flooring,not the "parquet" style in the safari se's ??
If you were referring to my recent post, our flooring is sheet vinyl embossed with a plank-like pattern. It was installed throughout the trailer without seams.

I'm not familiar with the SE flooring.
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Old 06-28-2009, 09:19 AM   #32
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can i assume this problen is with the "plank" style flooring,not the "parquet" style in the safari se's ??
The SE flooring is the same vinyl as in other trailers—the surface design, plank or parquet, makes no difference. We have an SE and had a problem too.

Dianne's post shows the standard repair at JC is to trim some off vinyl at the cabinet and then use a piece of quarter round to cover the cut. That's what they did in our bathroom, though they used not black trim, but a natural wood trim. The only problem with that is that it looks better than the fake wood surface on the cabinets, but it's not somewhere people really look.

I don't think this fix would work in every instance—where cabinet doors open downward as in front of the guacho sofa, or under the dinette table where Bolerama still has a problem.

My guess is when it gets hot the glue sticks to the floor again, but the repetition of freezing and thawing will eventually cause the glue to fail permanently and the floor will not flatten again. Since no one walks on it under the table, it hasn't been forced back onto the glue. Since this total glue failure may happen after the warranty period, dealers may claim it was too late, but so long as it was reported beforehand, the warranty should be in effect.

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Old 06-28-2009, 11:47 AM   #33
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How about having full carpet installed in the entire unit?
The way AS used to built them.

I do not like half vinyl and carpet in the modern units.
I like the look of a full carpeted unit.
Just me.

With the new units, they have corrosion problems and now the vinyl floor is coming up.

I stay with vintage.
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Old 05-11-2011, 01:38 PM   #34
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More floor bulges

Since the floor buckled up in a ridge extending front to back in our bathroom, it has happened twice more. Both happened after the warranty ran out, but I think that it should be covered since it started before the warranty was over. I have not had time to contact Airstream, however.

Last year a buckle, ridge, bulge or hump appeared right in front of the stove and cabinet, again running front to back. Barb put a throw rug over it.

This past winter one appeared between the end of the L-shaped sink cabinet and gaucho running front to back and about 4 or 5 feet long. I have thought of putting some heavy things on it to see if it returns to flat.

As I wrote before, I believe this is caused because the factory installs the floor first and then puts the cabinets and partitions over it leaving no room for expansion. This saves a lot of labor, costs a lot for warranty repairs and hurts reputation. Compounding this may be that either they don't use glue or the glue fails when it is cold—perhaps they use glue not suitable for cold temps. The problem appears to be worse in colder climates in Canada and in the Colorado Rockies. Either would be a serious design defect.

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Gene,
We have a similar problem...I noticed the flooring under our dinette was turning black along the edge. We took it to a AS dealer in Alachua and they confirmed the leaks we originally had on the window effected the flooring. We have waited many weeks to get the flooring from Airstream (Under warranty!) and it is finally in. My question is, all the flooring is being taken up (had severe flood in AS...JC fixed), the dealer said they have to remove the front couch/dinette and the bedroom, but wasn't the original floor laid first...even under the kitchen/bath/shower? We want them to do it right and they have been nice enough to call us so we can travel up there to watch the process and we want to see if any damage is under the bedroom floor. Any advice from anyone? All our leaks have been fixed for a long time now and we don't want to face flooring issues again. Dealer advised us that if the bedroom floor is bad, we will have to wait for Airstream ok to repair it....its been at the dealer for 7 weeks. Advice?
By the way, Gene, where is Crawford? Kids live in the Springs and we go out there often!
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Old 05-12-2011, 08:56 AM   #36
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Andi,

I guess (emphasize "guess") they want to remove everything to pull out the old floor and put in the new one the way it is done in the factory.

I've done tile, laminate, and wood floors in 2 houses and the instructions are always to leave a 1/4" to 3/8" space from the walls and partitions to allow for expansion of the floor and walls and partitions. So, if you don't do that, it seems the floor will eventually create problems.

Since they think the problem is caused by water infiltration, ask how the vinyl can buckle from water? I understand you floor has a black edge which would probably mean mold, but has it buckled too? Vinyl seems pretty impervious to water, unlike wood or laminate, but maybe I'm wrong. We've had leaks at both the front and back panos, but the buckles started in the middle of the trailer, progressed backward and are only now getting close to the windows.

If they want to replace the vinyl, what would the condition of the subfloor be? If the water can cause the vinyl to buckle (which I am skeptical about) what has it done to the subfloor? Mold? Deterioration? Have they talked about that? If the subfloor has to be replaced, everything does have to come out.

I wish I had better answers for you, but without having been there it's pretty hard to understand. Photos may help. You said there was water damage from a flood too? Was this one of the Airstreams that was flooded in Georgia a while back? If it was, I am surprised Airstream is fixing it because I thought those were total losses.

Crawford? It's an old cow town being slowly transformed as agriculture is not economical for many here and retirees move in. It's 75 miles east of Grand Junction, 100 miles south of Glenwood Springs and 10 miles north of the North Rim of Black Canyon NP.

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Crawford Gene has it right.

It's production line thinking. A daub or two of glue here and there. Slap the vinyl down. Don't waste time making sure there's a gap all around the perimeter.

Result: air pockets and eventual deterioration of the adhesive.

Ask yourself: would a good, competent flooring installer rush in and install sheet goods by putting a little glue here and there?

Despite lots of contrary opinion here, we glued down every inch of our Marmoleum, using the proper Marmoleum adhesive, and it looks as good today as it did 5 years ago.

See post #52 here:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f227...e-18448-4.html

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Gene, Thanks for your insight. We leave early tomorrow morning (Friday) to take a look at the floor as the linoleum has been removed and we asked the dealership not to install until we see the subfloor. Taking the camera! Will keep you posted as to our findings..hope there isn't any.
No, our AS was not in the floods of Georgia...is was on the assembly line in "08 when AS had a layoff...need I say more! Our flood was from the exterior storage areas...didn't have the proper seals on them and in a very bad rain storm, the water entered into the bedroom. Course it was at night and we didn't realize the flood (over our feet) until the middle of the night! BUT you have made us rethink this Georgia issue. We bought our AS from a dealer in Tampa...how would we know if they got it from Georgia? Hmmmm....
We didn't have much buckling, but did have an area that was soft under the dinette.
Keep you posted.
75 miles from Grand Junction...by Ouray? Ouray is one of my favorite places!
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Old 06-05-2014, 01:37 PM   #39
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We moved from DFW Texas to Springfield, Missouri a few months ago. I brought up our Airstream in March. There were a few days where the temperatures were well below 20F if I remember correctly. Yesterday I brought the AS from storage to take out for the first time in Missouri and while cleaning the floor my wife reports the vinyl floor in front of the oven is buckled. After reading this thread it appears this is "Airstream normal" and hope it will flatten out as the temperatures get warmer. I'm getting fed up with the issues my 2008 AS has had since purchasing it in March 2013. We are very close to selling it.

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Question, if the kitchen cabinets, dinette frames are screwed down has anyone tried removing the screws to cabinetry adjacent to the buckling to see if the flooring will expand back correctly? Now that higher temperatures are coming I could do that while the AS is in storage.

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2008 was not a good year for Airstreams. But having fixed most everything long ago, things have settled down. Kelvin, give it more of a chance and hopefully things will settle down.

Yes, vinyl buckling in cold temps is quite normal. It is the thinest, cheapest vinyl ever made. You can cut a thin strip out along the cabinet, push it down and toward the cabinet, maybe putting a few dabs of adhesive underneath, then add some molding like quarter round over the sliced out part. Easy solution and the same one Airstream does at their Service Center.

But it may flatten by itself, or you can put a throw rug in front of the oven. Moving the cabinets is a lot more work than any other fix.

We had buckling getting worse each year until I finally pulled out all the crappy vinyl. This gave me a chance to seal the floor with exterior polyurethane. Then I put a much nicer floor in. Just about any floor looks better than that vinyl.

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Gene, did you pull the dinette and couch out to do this and just leave the kitchen cabinets? What type of floor did you install? Reading up on floors it appears not too many like the extreme temperature ranges in RVs yet alot of manufacturers use a vinyl. I've read LVT (luxery vinyl tile) is a good choice. They need to float so cut out the vinyl along the cabinetry then use quarter round to hide the gaps. The only issue with the Classic is the dinette area because the leatherette is used to cover it vs wood. I guess just nail the quarter round to it. As long as the quarter round matches the cabinet finish and isn't too large.

Looking under the dinette seats the vinyl is not stapled to the perimeter of the floor but appears glued. Its peeling up inside the dinette seats. I was worried it was due to moisture intrustion but my Sonic moisture meter doesn't detect any moisture where the wall meets the floor under the dinette seats. With the edges peeling I guess the floor is allowed to contract more then when it gets warm it expands but can't under the furniture and cabinets causing buckles.

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