Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-23-2004, 11:59 PM   #1
5 rivets, 1 loose screw
 
Rog0525's Avatar
 
1966 20' Globetrotter
Saginaw County , Michigan
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 1,555
Images: 11
Vintage trailers: What can we agree on?

Many of the same basic questions are being asked repeatedly and that's very understandable considering the rapid growth and popularity of this forum. The redunancy is however making it ever more difficult to find specific info or advice on a given topic. There are many variables depending on year and model but some things are applicable to all vintage AS TT's. I think it would be beneficial to find some common ground to express opinions upon.
I'm thinking we might be able to slim down the bulging archives if we all hypothetically take an average trailer and refurbish only the basic items from the ground up.
Since AS has been building trailers for 60+ years in lengths mainly from 16' to 34' let's split it somewhere near the middle and say we all magicaly acquire a 1970 25' tandem axle Tradewind.......WAIT, don't start disagreeing yet.....it's my thread and I get to pick the trailer.
It's in average condition as described on vintageairstream's.]PRICE vs CONDITION The floor is solid and there are no leaks.
Lets also assume that the average AS owner is not a millionaire and we're not going to be hiring out any of the refurb so we need to keep it cost effective.

This is what I would do, based on hands on experience and knowledge I have gained from this forum:

TIRES : Goodyear Marathon ST225/75R15 load range D
Wheels: If split-rim, rust pitted or damaged, replace with new 2600# rated trailer wheels.
Axles: Check the info on Inland RV's DURA TORQUE AXLES and replace if necessary.
Brakes: Absolutely neccessary IMHO that they work properly. This I might hire out to a pro since I am not a skilled mechanic.
Floor covering : A matter of personal choice but I'll shoot for the Pergo, lightweight, attractive and durable.
Skin - wash, shine and wax: My trailer is for function more than show but I want it look nice so I'm going to wash it with Armor All car wash, shine it with Walbernize and wax it with LIQUID GLASS . I'll save the expensive and labor intensive polishing for later when I'm better acquainted with my new trailer..
Gaskets-door, window and vent covers: Replace all. Small investment for long term gain.
Interior cleaning: Clean walls and ceiling with Simple Green and protect with Future Floor Acrylic.
Interior hardware: Relace any broken items with whatever does the job but shop for original replacements.

These are just my personal preferences for getting the trailer in safe and presentable condition and are not intended as a beginner's guide to all things Airstream. I'd like to keep this thread simple. I'm not even gonna venture into proper tow vehicles since that topic has been very well covered but still open to debate.
What are you going to do differently or additionaly with your hypothetical '70 Tradewind to get started in the wonderful world of Airstreaming and why?
__________________

__________________
Rog

May you camp where wind won’t hit you, where snakes won’t bite and bears won’t git you.


Rog0525 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 12:48 AM   #2
Rivet Master
 
InsideOut's Avatar

 
1956 22' Safari
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen , Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 11,793
Images: 108
Red face Sorry Roger...I just have to!

Quote:
What are you going to do differently or additionaly with your hypothetical '70 Tradewind to get started in the wonderful world of Airstreaming and why?
Trade it in on a '64 GlobeTrotter!

Why? I prefer the Zolotone & wood interior.

Shari
__________________

__________________
Vintage Airstream Club - Past President 2007/2008
WBCCI #1824 - DenCO Unit Past President (2005)
AIR #30 - Join Date: 2-25-2002

RMVAC | WBCCI DenCO Unit | Sisters on the Fly | Tin Can Tourists
BIRDY - our 1956 Safari | 1964 Serro Scotty
InsideOut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 12:48 AM   #3
Moderator Emeritus
 
overlander64's Avatar
 
1964 26' Overlander
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre
Anna , Illinois
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 5,396
Images: 183
Send a message via Yahoo to overlander64
Vintage trailers: What can we agree on?

Greeting Rog!

I would add to your list of suggestions:

LP Gas System Inspection: This I would farm out to a professional to include:
Regulator - - inspect and test for proper pressure.
Refrigerator - - inspect/clean/adjust as necessary.
Furnace - - inspect/clean/adjust if replacement isn't indicated.
Water Heater - - inspect/clean/adjust if replacement isn't indicated.
Range/Oven - - inspect and adjust as necessary.
LP Tanks (if aluminum) - - update to OPD valves and recertify.
I will admit to having serious distrust of any kind of gas appliance whether home or RV so this is an added precaution that I take with my coaches on a regular basis. This process is on my list of musts when acquiring an unfamiliar coach.

Kevin
__________________
Kevin D. Allen
WBCCI (Lifetime Member)/VAC/Free Wheelers #6359
AIR #827
1964 Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban (7400 VORTEC/4.11 Differentials)
1978 Argosy Minuet 6.0 Metre/1975 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible (8.2 Liter V8/2.70 Final Drive)
overlander64 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 01:02 AM   #4
5 rivets, 1 loose screw
 
Rog0525's Avatar
 
1966 20' Globetrotter
Saginaw County , Michigan
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 1,555
Images: 11
come on now Shari, play nice. I think those who are newbies or wannabes might well benefit from a thread where common questions are addressed. Have you done a search on "tires" recently? Gadzooks!

Good point Kevin, safety first.
__________________
Rog

May you camp where wind won’t hit you, where snakes won’t bite and bears won’t git you.


Rog0525 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 01:08 AM   #5
Rivet Master
 
InsideOut's Avatar

 
1956 22' Safari
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen , Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 11,793
Images: 108
Thumbs up Spring fever is just getting to me...

Roger, it's a great thread & a nice summation...I agree with most of your thoughts, just not your choice of the example for me, no offense intended to 70's owners.

BTW...I have to play nice, I'm a moderator!

Shari
__________________
Vintage Airstream Club - Past President 2007/2008
WBCCI #1824 - DenCO Unit Past President (2005)
AIR #30 - Join Date: 2-25-2002

RMVAC | WBCCI DenCO Unit | Sisters on the Fly | Tin Can Tourists
BIRDY - our 1956 Safari | 1964 Serro Scotty
InsideOut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 01:46 AM   #6
5 rivets, 1 loose screw
 
Rog0525's Avatar
 
1966 20' Globetrotter
Saginaw County , Michigan
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 1,555
Images: 11
Shari, you know I was kidding about "play nice". You always do.
My concern is that basic info is getting buried due to the volume of threads and posts. I doubt that there are many topics not already touched upon but the problem is in finding them. It would help if folks included the title of the topic in their thread rather than just "help" or such.
I've gotta think that the only way to cure the prob is to add more specific forums, such as "Tire Forum' or "Toilet Forum" but then we run the risk of losing members who get confused by too many choices of where to look or post.
Too much info can be a bad thing.
I'm just tinkering with the notion that someone with a "new" vintage AS could be pointed to a thread where most basic q's are addressed, but maybe more specific forums isn't such a bad idea.
__________________
Rog

May you camp where wind won’t hit you, where snakes won’t bite and bears won’t git you.


Rog0525 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 03:09 AM   #7
Moderator
 
Stefrobrts's Avatar

 
1968 17' Caravel
Battle Ground , Washington
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 11,906
Images: 50
Blog Entries: 1
I think you copped out by picking a 70 Tradewind with NO LEAKS and a SOLID FLOOR. Where would you find one of those anyway? Lots of questions regarding leaks, sealing, and fixing soft spots or holes in the floor. I spent most of an evening trying to find a diagram I'd seen here recently of how the floor was assembled to the walls and frame. I saved it to disk for fear I would never find it again!

Good idea though. I guess what you really want is a FAQ. Do we even have one. It's nice to have all the regular questions together so folks can be pointed to it first. But then again, I love it when someone new posts about their trailer, even if they are asking something we've heard before. It's always fun to hear about someone elses problems and welcome them to the group.
__________________
Stephanie




Stefrobrts is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 03:45 AM   #8
Rivet Master
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,313
Images: 4
By coincidence, a friend recently bought a 70's vintage 25 foot tandem axle trailer, and I worked five days with him, last October, on doing the basic safety work listed above. In addition, we overhauled the fresh water supply system, installing a new pump, curing a leaking joint, and chlorinating the system. A further job, not listed, is to scrape off and replace all the decayed Vulkem above the windows and door and other fittings. The last job was to deal with the leaking dump valves on the black and gray tanks. This was a rear bath layout, so we removed the rear fender by drilling off the heads of the set-screws that secure it. We then pulled out the plastic liner, and revealed the valves. More to the point, we revealed the frame. Or what should have been the frame. The black and gray tanks are supported by the steel bally pan. To carry the weight of full tanks, there is a cross member above the back of the tanks, and from this drops a steel bulkhead, which is secured to the belly pan, right across its width. This crucial steel bulkhead had gone. Disappeared. Gone to the great bulkhead graveyard in the sky. An un-bulkhead. A was-bulkhead. A bucketful of rust flakes on the belly pan sat looking at us. The belly pan was also severely corroded. Full tanks while on the road would soon have dropped right through.This was a trailer with no apparent leaks and a firm floor. So, at the risk of becoming the "forum frame corrosion bore", I suggest we add to the list, for rear and side bath models,: "Remove rear fender, and inspect frame for corrosion." Nick.
__________________
Nick Crowhurst, Excella 25 1988, Dodge Ram 2500 Cummins Diesel. England in summer, USA in winter.
"The price of freedom is eternal maintenance."
nickcrowhurst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 06:37 AM   #9
Rivet Master
 
Sneakinup's Avatar
 
1977 31' Sovereign
Tampa Bay , ^
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 709
Images: 118
I second Nick's emotion... Sure, it is the greatest thing to find a vintage trailer "that appears solid and ready to roll." But, get your hands dirty and drop those belly pans for your safety and others on the road. Both supports on my bw tanks were gone also. Had I moved the trailer with any "liquids" in it, the tank surely would have dropped through the belly skin, taking the toilet with it, and making a big mess on the highway.

After discovering this possible disaster, I am now methodically working my way from the back of the trailer forward inspecting and repairing as I go... before I go!
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	alrail2.jpg
Views:	610
Size:	57.0 KB
ID:	6179  
__________________
My 77 Sovereign Renovation
Out in the woods, or in the city, It's all the same to me.
When I'm drivin' free, the world's my home....When I'm mobile.



Sneakinup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 08:21 AM   #10
Rivet Master
Commercial Member
 
bredlo's Avatar
 
1954 22' Safari
Deerfield , Illinois
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 1,419
Images: 23
Send a message via AIM to bredlo
Could be considered off topic, but I'll slip it in here as a compliment to the newbie FAQ concept.

I think we should compile a "family tree" of sorts that starts with early Airstream models and moves down to the present; it would give a basic list of comonly-agreed on features that were added throughout the years.

For example, the first one would list things like number of crown pieces, dimensions, and basic features. Further down the line we'd see "pipe frame switched to ladder-style," "toilet added as regular feature," "stoves switched to Princess brand," "crown drops to 7 pieces," "width changes from 7'6" to 8'," "windows become curved Corning," etc.

It would help visualize the major additions over time, and give owners a sense of how frequent a problem they're having is likely to be with others. Example: I could check the chart to see how long my window cranks were used. Only for my year? Then I'm less likely to take time to scour the Earth looking for them.

What do you guys think? The vintageairstream.com photo gallery already has lots of good info, but the improvements are mentioned in a less structured fashion - you can't view them in one place and it doesn't seem to be the same info criteria each time necessarily.
__________________
Brad
bredlo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 08:28 AM   #11
Rivet Master
 
Over59's Avatar
 
1959 26' Overlander
Putnam , Connecticut
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,064
Images: 37
Bearings. Shouldn't we inspect the bearings before moving it for adequate grease. Repack or add grease to get it home, and for sure repack with new seals when home. I would think this would be on the top of the list.

For lack of grease the bearing was lost... ect........ the people were lost.
__________________
Over59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 10:12 AM   #12
Rivet Master
 
InsideOut's Avatar

 
1956 22' Safari
Vintage Kin Owner
Conifer/Evergreen , Colorado
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 11,793
Images: 108
Quote:
I think we should compile a "family tree" of sorts that starts with early Airstream models and moves down to the present; it would give a basic list of comonly-agreed on features that were added throughout the years.
Have you seen this?

__________________
Vintage Airstream Club - Past President 2007/2008
WBCCI #1824 - DenCO Unit Past President (2005)
AIR #30 - Join Date: 2-25-2002

RMVAC | WBCCI DenCO Unit | Sisters on the Fly | Tin Can Tourists
BIRDY - our 1956 Safari | 1964 Serro Scotty
InsideOut is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 10:32 AM   #13
Rivet Master
Commercial Member
 
bredlo's Avatar
 
1954 22' Safari
Deerfield , Illinois
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 1,419
Images: 23
Send a message via AIM to bredlo
Quote:
Originally Posted by InsideOut
Have you seen this?


LOVE IT!!! That's exactly what I had in mind, with the added breakdown between exterior and interior lists. Nice job with the color differences variations, Shari. Consider it bookmarked.
__________________
Brad
bredlo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2004, 10:34 AM   #14
Rivet Master
 
Over59's Avatar
 
1959 26' Overlander
Putnam , Connecticut
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,064
Images: 37
Great site for those "when" questions. Should be a primary link on the forum link forum.
__________________

__________________
Over59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Vintage sub-units? Midamrail WBCCI Forum 47 12-10-2006 09:53 AM
Original LOOKING interior lights for vintage trailers flamingo-kid1 General Interior Topics 0 04-18-2004 09:04 PM
vintage vehicles to match trailers femuse Our Community 22 05-05-2003 10:20 AM
Vintage trailers for sale . . . Hubba Our Community 1 12-28-2002 03:18 PM
How vintage is vintage? zamboni On The Road... 9 12-02-2002 04:30 PM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:35 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.