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Old 01-01-2016, 07:23 AM   #57
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Brian,

.... no fault found here.

My 70 yr old,(Dad's), is within a 2lb/ft of the Snap-on, plus 'ya don't have 'ta zero it when your finished.




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Bob,

Maybe you should say the new one is within 2 lb-ft of your Dads 70 year old one.



I do a lot of personal and some limited professional wrenching. You do develop a skilled hand for what feels right while tightening but for any lug nut or lug bolt the final tightening is via a click type torque wrench.

And how many RV shops have a 3/4" drive torque wrench to correctly tighten the ball nut? I have no clue on that one. But I personally have correctly torqued at least 6 different hitch balls at one gathering that were loose. One was even loose enough to start tightening it with channel lock pliers.

I've used impact guns, yup they have adjustment settings but the ones I've seen are just position references not lb-ft values.
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Old 01-01-2016, 07:46 AM   #58
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Brian, I can't find fault in anything yo have said, and there is nothing wrong with torque stick. The only issue I have with my beam torque wrench is getting my head in the proper place to read it accurately in some situations. You really need to have your eye directly above the pointer..or directly at the end of the point.
Yep, I know what you mean about the scale being a little difficult to see sometimes.

What I did on an inexpensive beam wrench that I usually take on our RV trips was to drill two very small holes right through the scale - one at the position needed for my lug nuts and another for the torque required for the U-bolts on my Hensley hitch.

It makes is quite a bit easy for me to see when the beam pointer lines up with the holes when looking from pretty much any angle.

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Old 01-01-2016, 09:36 AM   #59
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I think we've found the new "tow vehicle/tire selection" topic... Learned some good stuff though. Been wrenching for a bunch of years, and never knew you had to zero a click style torque wrench. Man, I love the forums...

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Old 01-01-2016, 11:14 AM   #60
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Yep....Snp-0n Man clued me when I bought that wench.
Most common reason for needing a re-cal.
Makes sense when thought about....would I put Dad's away with the beam under tension?
Granted it's not much but better STS.

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Old 01-01-2016, 03:06 PM   #61
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There is no need to zero a split-beam torque wrench. I have both a 1/2" drive and 3/4" drive Precision Instruments split beam torque wrench - I got the 3/4" when I had an AS LY diesel pusher, and after selling the moho and replacing with the Excella trailer, I got the 1/2" torque wrench. See Precision Instruments: Split Beam Click Wrenches
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I've either got to get mine calibrated, or get a split beam. I've stored mine under tension for YEARS... Would love to see how far off it is. Might explain the last head gasket replacement failure I had... Only got 50,000 miles out of it.

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Red,

You have a chance to at least check your torque wrench.

Put a pretty big bolt on a vise, you'll need a socket to go with it.
Find something that weighs maybe 20-25 lbs. The value also depends on the range of the wrench.
Measure from the center line of the bolt to a specific spot on the handle. IF you have a pivot pin handle like a beam type does, use that as the spot to measure to.
Convert the length measured in inches to decimal feet. 18" is 1.5" for example.
Multiply the measured length in feet by the weight of your weight. 1.5 ft X 25 lb = 37.5 lb-ft.

Set the clicker at the calculated value.

Now position the wrench and socket on the bolt horizontally and use a strap or such to hang the weight right at the spot that you measured at the handle. Beam type try to make the weight balance on the pivot pin.

Does it click or do you have to push down on it or lift it back up? Beam pointer on target?

This does not calibrate, but it can do a quick check to see it you're in range or wacko.

One great thing about the torque wrench, its a force at a known distance, no opinions, no YMMV, no fuzzy logic. Just a value.
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My Dad taught me how to install a tire 40 years ago. Put a little axle grease on each stud before you put the lug nut on the stud. Get them all finger tight. Snug them up in a star pattern with a 4-way, then torque them "good and tight" with the 4-way. I have driven my cars and trucks well over a combined million miles.
I would not do it any other way.
As far as tire shops go.... I drop my tires of in the morning and pick them up on my way home from work. My experience was more bad than good. Typically they over torque them with the impact wrench and I can barely get them off. Not to mention the damage they can do by putting the floor jack someplace its not supposed to be. Most people never look under their uni-body car to see the damage careless mechanics create with a floor jack.
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I have always loved Craftsman tools... Sears has always stood behind their lifetime warranty, no questions asked. I lived about a half mile down the road from the Ford dealership in Sanford Fl way back in the day, and they'd turn around their test drives after maintenance right in the entrance to our subdivision... Any tools left under the hood ALWAYS fell out right there. I picked them up all the time. When you got a Craftsman, good or bad, it was always a win...

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Neither here nor there with regard to the original post, but IMHO, Craftsman tools ain't what they used to be.


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Old 01-01-2016, 09:32 PM   #69
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Rockets ain't the same as lug nuts....

#JustSayin.

I think that anyone who wants to use a torque wrench to tighten wheels should do so, but as far as my vehicles go, I will keep doing what I have been doing (without incident) for the last 35 years.

Were those flathead Fords 21 stud or 24 stud heads?


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To the greatest extent, pulling a lug nut down tight short of pulling or stripping the threads is not going to be too tight to hurt anything. (Wheel studs are very, very strong.

Most Wheels that come lose on the road are due to improperly seated or piloted wheels. This is true for most broken wheel studs as well.

The odds of me leaving a wheel too lose is going to be about zero, irregardless if I use a torque wrench or not.


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Not trying to be critical of you, just explaining my thought process:

Would I leave the lug nuts loose? No way I would do that. I used to be inclined to just crank the lug nuts down with an air wrench or a 4 way. I did this for years and years too. I never had a wheel or lug come off. I worked my way school (back in the 60's & 70's) at a service station. While I worked there I'm sure I changed thousands of wheels. I broke a few lug bolts, not a big deal to repair. After having to replace some brake rotors that got warped from overtightening, I started thinking more about controlled tightening.

Since aluminum wheels are so soft I knew I could deform the lug nut holes if I got the lugs too tight. So, I always did these by hand. No air wrench, just tightened till they felt right. As far as I know, no wheels or lug nuts came off. However, I did find some loose nuts after several miles.

I've learned from a few examples posted here on this forum that aluminum or mag wheels' lug nuts are especially susceptible to coming loose in the first few hundred miles even after they have been tightened perfectly to the correct torque. Rust and debris compressed between the hub and wheel can sometimes work its way out, letting the wheels loosen as it moves down the road. That is why I check at the intervals after the lugs have been loose.

If I had steel wheels on the trailer, I would probably still be cranking them down.
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To your question about a torque wrench for both the AS and TV: Yes, get one that will do both. Ford says to torque my F150 wheels to 150 ft. lbs. As has been stated here, accuracy is better nearer the middle of the wrench's range. I don't think Harbor Freight offers a wrench with capacity greater than 150. I bought this CDI:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ilpage_o00_s00
It's beautiful, but I'm a tool guy and willing to spend the money. I've read that CDI is actually made by Snap-On in Milwaukee.

In addition to the torque wrench you should get a good long breaker bar. Don't use your torque wrench to remove the lug nuts. Harbor Freights sells a couple 25 inchers that are good but longer ones are available elsewhere. Harbor also sells this "flip" socket set:
1/2 in. Drive Impact Flip Socket Set 3 Pc
It is very handy--it probably has all the lug nut sizes you will ever come across and the 3" extension gets the head of the wrench above the hub cap on my 2014FC.

Finally, the "chrome lug nuts" that will come on your AS probably have chrome caps that will come off after a few "wrenchings". This makes for a pretty sloppy fit with a 3/4" socket. McGard 64010 nuts are not cheep, but they are bullet proof:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ilpage_o09_s00
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