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Old 09-09-2013, 06:31 AM   #57
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It's his trailer to screw up......

Sad thing is he'll later sell it and we'll read about some other guys woes because of it.
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Old 09-09-2013, 06:48 AM   #58
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The modifications aren't exactly hidden. Anybody buying the trailer later will know what was done and decide for themselves if they want it. These trunks will definitely not be "stupid previous owner tricks," when the trailers are eventually sold.

As long as the mods are not unsafe, unhealthy, or illegal, not a single bleesed one of us has a right to complain about them.

I'm an engineer by profession. And I work on the Operations side of the house, so my whole career has been devoted to making modifications to things to accommodate end-user problems the designers didn't foresee. That means I can't afford to be a purist or I'd be out of a job.

An Airstream trailer is a wonderfully-engineered piece of art, but as it rolls off the assembly line it can't be all things to all people. Del and Russ have developed workable solutions to their storage problems, and Del's is positively elegant. It compromises the function of the rear bumper to resist impacts, but that's a trade-off he's willing to live with. It's not unsafe in that no one will be hurt or killed by it even if an impact does happen; most places don't allow towing with people in the trailer. It's not unhealthy. As long as the trailers still pass mandatory inspections the mods aren't illegal, either.

Even though I see the drawbacks of the two installations, I also applaud Russ and Del for their ingenuity in solving their storage problems. And if the trailers might someday be worth a little less to a second owner because they aren't "pure," they're worth a lot more to the present owners, who will get that much more use out of them.
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:09 AM   #59
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It's his trailer to screw up......

Sad thing is he'll later sell it and we'll read about some other guys woes because of it.
And wouldn't it just be your luck that you were the one who bought it...
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Old 09-10-2013, 12:32 PM   #60
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Russ, don't let the naysayers and self-proclaimed Airstream experts get to you. Sounds like a few folks have loose rivets that only the factory trained techs at Jackson Center could fix...

I read through a lot of older threads here on the forum about frame loading. Bottom line is that Airstream hasn't performed finite element analysis on their trailer frames and can't say with any degree of certainty just how strong the frames are for each model configuration. It appears that numerous requests for this information have gone unanswered. The fact that they use the same frame jigs for models with differential loading (rear bath vs/ center for example) bears this out. Without the structural data, fatigue cycles, material specs, manufacturing tolerances, etc,who can really say what the safe load limit is? Certainly not the shoot from the mouth hip crowd taking potshots here.

A lack of outside storage is a problem with AS compared to SOB's. Berating posters who have managed to address a factory shortcoming and making unfounded accusations about their future intent is mean-spirited and counterproductive to the intent of this forum, IMO. I joined this forum to learn about using and improving our AS, but I'm learning a lot more about the people instead...

Despite what others may believe, it's your trailer, use it any way you see fit. I intend to do the same with mine.
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Old 09-13-2013, 07:14 AM   #61
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russ, don't let the naysayers and self-proclaimed airstream experts get to you. Sounds like a few folks have loose rivets that only the factory trained techs at jackson center could fix...

I read through a lot of older threads here on the forum about frame loading. Bottom line is that airstream hasn't performed finite element analysis on their trailer frames and can't say with any degree of certainty just how strong the frames are for each model configuration. It appears that numerous requests for this information have gone unanswered. The fact that they use the same frame jigs for models with differential loading (rear bath vs/ center for example) bears this out. Without the structural data, fatigue cycles, material specs, manufacturing tolerances, etc,who can really say what the safe load limit is? Certainly not the shoot from the mouth hip crowd taking potshots here.

A lack of outside storage is a problem with as compared to sob's. Berating posters who have managed to address a factory shortcoming and making unfounded accusations about their future intent is mean-spirited and counterproductive to the intent of this forum, imo. I joined this forum to learn about using and improving our as, but i'm learning a lot more about the people instead...

despite what others may believe, it's your trailer, use it any way you see fit. I intend to do the same with mine.
well stated!
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