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Old 06-28-2017, 10:38 AM   #21
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I found this info shown below on the vintage trailer supply website. It kind of answers the question of rivet size. I am still uncertain when an interior rivets pops off ( In 10 year I have lost about 15) if I riveting to a rib or just riveting 2 sheets together. Below is the cut and paste from vintage:

If the rivets securing the wall panels inside your Airstream rattle loose, you'll want some correctly-sized replacements.

Both the head and mandrel are aluminum.

Installed with a regular blind "pop" rivet tool. Prepare hole with a No.30 drill bit.

Sold in packages of 100.
The Size 3 rivets are a good size for clamping two layers of interior skin. They have a grip range of .126" to .187".
The Size 5 rivets are a good size for clamping one layer of interior skin to a rib. They have a grip range of .251" to .312".
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Old 06-28-2017, 05:22 PM   #22
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As to the common size of rivets the AS has... its 1/8 inch... better know in the aircraft industry as a -4 (each dash is 1/16 in dia..) but don't use a 1/8 in drill to drill holes... its oversize by about 0.005 of a inch... instead ask for a No. 30 drill for the -4 rivets (cherry or driven)
I'm confused by your suggestion on using a #30 drill instead of 1/8", as you state the 1/8" drill is a tad oversized.

Looking at a drill size table, a 1/8" drill is 0.1250" while a #30 drill is 0.1285, making the #30 drill larger than 1/8", not smaller. Am I missing something?



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Old 06-29-2017, 01:20 AM   #23
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I'm confused by your suggestion on using a #30 drill instead of 1/8", as you state the 1/8" drill is a tad oversized.

Looking at a drill size table, a 1/8" drill is 0.1250" while a #30 drill is 0.1285, making the #30 drill larger than 1/8", not smaller. Am I missing something?



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Ops pardon me... you are correct... the 1/8 inch drill is smaller... I got them turned around... the No. 30 drill is the correct one for what is called the 1/8 inch rivets... as can be seen in this table...

http://poprivettooling.com/pdf-files...s-aluminum.pdf

I would use the ones similar to the vintage trailer group... they do make them in the -4's (1/8) and its really a aircraft rivet.. with a spacer so you have a little give... even on the interior skin... they have about twice the strength of the common alu pop rivet...

here is what they say... and I have underlined the part about just a shade oversized hole such as the No. 30 drill...

Olympic Shaveable Rivets (Pkg of 100)

Olympic Rivets


Olympic bulb-tite shavable head rivets are unique. When properly finished, the heads of these blind "pop" rivets mimic the look of a solid buck rivet. There are no other rivets made that can pull off that neat trick. Because of this unique quality, they are the ideal rivet to use for quick repairs on the exterior skin of aluminum trailers. They provide a clean look that closely resembles the original rivets used by the factory.

These rivets can be installed with most standard pop rivet tools after sizing the hole in your aluminum to just slightly larger than the rivet body diameter (see chart in Technical Specs section below pricing table).

The special shave tool for Olympic rivets (VTS-177) is required to finish to a nice domed appearance. If have just a small number of rivets to finish and want to try to avoid purchasing the shave tool, you may find a Dremel or mill file can do a decent job of smoothing the head. However, the shave tool will create a far superior finish.
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Old 07-08-2018, 10:59 AM   #24
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Old 12-02-2018, 06:45 AM   #25
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Did you ever get the rivet size for inside trailer ?

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Old 12-08-2018, 08:01 AM   #26
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Several years ago I purchased the rivet kit from the store in JC.

https://store.airstream.com/product/...t-with-shaver/

It has all you would need to do any blind rivetting, including the correct size drills.
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Old 08-04-2019, 01:29 PM   #27
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I recently had a rental on our 2003 28' Serenity. It came back with a loose mirror in the bathroom, several rivets missing in ceiling at various spots and the long pantry cabinet hinges all messed up. He said he was on some gravel roads at some places in Western Nebraska but gheesh. I wonder if all of this could just be from the rough roads or if I may have a different issue. Also how do I check the axles? New to the Airstream world and I have much to learn.
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Old 08-04-2019, 02:08 PM   #28
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You are renting your Airstream?

Yes, rough roads and careless driving will cause rivets to pop and things to drop no doubt.
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Old 08-04-2019, 02:38 PM   #29
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Yes and I hope to create a small fleet! I will need to perform all of the repairs and maintenance myself if possible. That was the first rental and I have am sure I will learn how to better screen the renters to help avoid this type of problem. I have another weekend trip scheduled but at a small local campground so it should all be paved roads.
I am using a service to source the renters and they have a level of screening but not enough. Also the unit is insured during the rental (each time) and not on my own insurance. Am I crazy? First rental pays two months worth of payment but it will all go to principle to get rid of this loan. It is how I sold my wife on being able to get the AS instead of another Forest River product.
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Old 08-04-2019, 02:41 PM   #30
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I did just find this about the rivets after a little more research.

https://airstreamsupplycompany.com/story/rivet-guide/

I hope that link inserted correctly.
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Old 08-04-2019, 05:21 PM   #31
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I had an aluminum rivet pop inside at where I believe a stress point is next to the bath room bulkhead on my 26RBT. I replaced it with a steel rivet. Others say that'll be corrosion issue with dissimilar metals. However it's inside and not exposed to direct moisture or water.
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Old 08-04-2019, 05:54 PM   #32
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The best off road vehicle is a rental car. If you rent, charge the users for their damage. That's the first step in communication that they are not renting a dump truck.

A renter thinks - the trailer tows well. I can go fast. Take a look at the Long Long Trailer movie. The scenes when Lucy is cooking while Ricky is driving give a good example (well it's a little over blown for humor). Driver has no clue. You, who have the repairs to make, now have a clue.

You may have other issues. Tire balance, stiff hitch like an Equalizer, higher than necessary tire pressure (however, 28 may need full side wall pressure), stiff tow vehicle (3/4-1 ton) ....... lack of ongoing maintenance to check rivets periodically and tighten screws. Lack of securing cabinet doors. Totally dead axle dampening (hard to believe on that age trailer, but maybe) or failed dampers could also be an issue.

Spend some time reviewing your problems and searching for long term solutions. Some folks install piano hinges to strengthen up cabinet doors.

Good luck with the repairs. Pat
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