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Old 08-05-2014, 09:59 PM   #57
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Recliner Conversion

Doug -

Thanks for your detailed reply to my previous post.

We've completely torn out our previous living room - including that terrible cushioned sofa - and are in the process of removing all the carpet from our trailer including under beds and pantry, etc. Quite a job, and entirely preventable had Airstream not cut corners by laying carpet prior to building cabinetry.

We also had envisioned a setup very similar to yours, but it is very helpful to see a vision so close to ours that has actually been completed and has been field tested. Obviously, from the number of posts herein, you've hit on a good thing that has generated a lot of interest.

Helpful to know that you like the Villa recliners. Lafer makes a similar recliner, but it's four times the price of the Villa chair. I think I'll go with the Villa since you've had a good experience with it. Heck, we could replace it an additional three times if it wears out, and still come out ahead over the price of the Lafer.

If you get a chance, we'd like to see a picture of the setup you use to span your two tables. Sounds like an interesting concept.

I believe I saw in a previous post that you had had your Airstream leak-tested while you were in JC doing the conversion. What was the cost of the leak test? In your opinion, is it a good test (likely to find small leaks) and worth the cost?

We agree with you - happy to get rid of all those cushions. We'll gladly give up a little storage for the sake of comfort. We're retired fulltimers, and also don't mind giving up the sleeping space. When asked by friends and relatives how many our Safari slept, we used to answer 'only two!' anyway. Now we'll be telling the truth!

Thanks again for all your help.

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Old 08-05-2014, 10:24 PM   #58
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Interesting progress there Stephan - you don't happen to have photos of your progress do you?
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[QUOTE=AStreamJake;1492307]Doug -

If you get a chance, we'd like to see a picture of the setup you use to span your two tables. Sounds like an interesting concept.

I believe I saw in a previous post that you had had your Airstream leak-tested while you were in JC doing the conversion. What was the cost of the leak test? In your opinion, is it a good test (likely to find small leaks) and worth the cost?"

I did not span the tables, just made a larger pine table top (24" x 32") from stock material at Home Depot to sit directly over the small center console table top, and butted right up against the front aluminum wall. It's more/less a prototype to try on our next long trip this fall. Will be set in place at mealtime, maybe for other tasks. We'll see how it goes before I give it a thumbs up, but it looks like a good setup for us. An alternative is a lift-up table between the recliners about 24" wide x 32" long (length cannot be longer than the height of the table top from the floor).

The leak test pressurizes the interior with a big fan at the front roof vent, then they soak it down with a special soap and look for bubbles. I think they have a standard price for this based on 3 or 4 hours at $110/hr. Call and they can give you a current price. Not cheap but we were near the end of our warranty and wanted any leaks found and fixed before it expired. They found and fixed four minor leaks which I had already found with my Sonin Moisture Test meter, so I've gained some confidence in the meter.

I think the leak test was worth it because it gave a us assurance of a leak-free Airstream for now (these things bounce around in heavy travel and can develop leaks as you go along) and the opportunity to fix any under warranty.
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DKOTTUM. Doug, I would like to see the total finished work you did also. I know we talker about what you were doing and you sent some photos, but I didn't know you installed the little center table/cabinet in between the two chairs. Would also like to see a shot of the counter top you built that extends that table between the chairs.

I'm reclined here in the New Mexico mountains in our 30 with the chairs right now, leaning back watching the wife sweep the floor and making coffee for the morning. Shame on me. But I'm sure comfortable.


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Howard, I take that as a favorable review of the recliners?

Yes, it was Howard L. who measured these things up for us on his 30' FC Recliner model to see if they would fit a 25' before I made the service appointment. Another wonderful thing about this forum and its members helping each other. Thanks again Howie.
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Old 08-06-2014, 06:45 PM   #62
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Interesting progress there Stephan - you don't happen to have photos of your progress do you?
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ARCTICFOX (AKA Doug): At your request, I've published photos of the tear-out of our old, and much-hated, sofa (I've heard others refer to it as a gaucho?) and of the removal of our old carpet.

2003 Airstream Safari 25' Twin Bed - Carpet Removal

Quite a job, that - the tearing out of old carpet. Have had to disassemble much of the bedroom and hallway in order to get the carpet out from under the cabinetry and the outside compartments of the trailer. The tough vinyl trapped over the old carpet is nothing but a moisture trap; and I'm glad to get it and the carpet out of there.

Still working at it, but have most of it now. I'll probably remove the kitchen countertop (which I'll replace anyway) and try to get the carpet out from there and from under the furnace. Only places it looks like I won't be able to get are the areas under the refrigerator and bathroom.

I then plan on apply two or three coats of a waterproof epoxy to the floor to act as a moisture shield before installing new Allure commercial-grade LVT. Then I'll get the recliners in and plan new cabinetry / dining table after playing with the chair placement a while. I have an appointment in JC on Sep 16 to hopefully have the cabinetry built, have the trailer leak-tested, and for annual maintenance.

Does anyone have any thoughts on preparing the existing subfloor such that the bolt heads securing the subfloor, and the staples joining subfloor sections, do not show through my old flooring? I thought I'd get the bolt heads as far in as possible, pound the staples down into the floor, and then use a floor leveler compound over the joints/bolts heads/staples.

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DKottum - Measurement of Living Area for Recliner Conversion

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Howard, I take that as a favorable review of the recliners?

Yes, it was Howard L. who measured these things up for us on his 30' FC Recliner model to see if they would fit a 25' before I made the service appointment. Another wonderful thing about this forum and its members helping each other. Thanks again Howie.
Doug, speaking of measurements, one that would be very helpful to me in planning my own recliner conversion is to know how long your living room measures from the flat portion of the front wall (beneath the front window) -TO- the wall on which your TV is located. I'm wondering if the living room in my 2003 25' Safari is as long as yours. My measurement in this location is 88".

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Doug, speaking of measurements, one that would be very helpful to me in planning my own recliner conversion is to know how long your living room measures from the flat portion of the front wall (beneath the front window) -TO- the wall on which your TV is located. I'm wondering if the living room in my 2003 25' Safari is as long as yours. My measurement in this location is 88".

Thanks again for your help,

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I would be interested in this also as I'm thinking of doing the similar conversion (2-chairs / small centre table) but to a 28' unit. My layout of course is different and I just measured from the front wall (flat part) to the beginning of my galley cabinets (sink) and I only have 64". In my case I have a separate dinette and would only be taking out a wrap-a-round sofa/foldout bed. I would not have to worry about the TV and how to locate it as it's on a wall behind the dinette.

Here is an image of what my floor plan looks like:



If I remember right I also saw a conversion that Larry did that saved the small storage area I have against the front wall. I have marked this storage in colour so you everyone can see what i'm talking about. In my case, I would like to save that if possible but I need input from folks if you feel I have enough room.

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I would be interested in this also as I'm thinking of doing the similar conversion (2-chairs / small centre table) but to a 28' unit. My layout of course is different and I just measured from the front wall (flat part) to the beginning of my galley cabinets (sink) and I only have 64".
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Hi Doug / ARCTICFOX -

you might want to clarify this for the other Doug (DKOTTUM). In your text above you state that you have 64" (which is 5' 4") and on the diagram it shows 6' 4". Did you leave out the foot sign in your quote of 64"?

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Hi Stephan:
Yes this was directed to DKOTTUM (Doug) but if feel you (or anyone else) has any input please jump in.

The distance is actually 64" (not 6'4") the drawing indicates the 64" also, it's just bloody hard to read. also the second measurement on the drawing is 51" from wall to door.

Just not sure if thats enough room for the chairs with a small centre table

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Doug, speaking of measurements, one that would be very helpful to me in planning my own recliner conversion is to know how long your living room measures from the flat portion of the front wall (beneath the front window) -TO- the wall on which your TV is located. I'm wondering if the living room in my 2003 25' Safari is as long as yours. My measurement in this location is 88".

Thanks again for your help,

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Our living room from the front wall (beneath the front window) -TO- the wall on which the TV is located is 96". You would have room for the recliner, lift up table, and about 10" extra between the lift up table and the wall the TV is on.

On the other side from the front wall to the sink cabinet is 72", just enough to stretch out in the recliner but when I do I usually send my feet out towards the center hall.

The recliners are moveable depending on how you are using them. You will want to pull them out from the wall some to fully recline, back nearer the wall for most use. Something you get used to without a second thought in everyday use.
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Here's a link showing dimensions of the Villa Lift Recliner Airstream uses

http://steelpowerstore.com/index.php...&product_id=90
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Articfox, Doug. Just measured my 30 with recliners (villa). On the street side there is 70 inches from fnt wall and the fwd dinette seat back (the 30 layout). And like your 28,' 51 inches from fnt wall and fwd door sill. In front of the dinette seat back, the fold out table is mounted to the street side wall. That cabinet, housing the fold out table is 28 inches wide (you would have 6 inches less than I do from that folding table mount frame and your front wall--but I still think it would work, ie, the table would still have room to fold out without hitting the chair). The center seat pedestal of the villa is 23 inches back from the front wall. The circular base to the whole chair sets 11 inches back and the wooden floor mounted bracket that is for securing the chair from moving is 9 inches from the fnt wall.

If you leave the storage unit (from in front of old sofa) in place, you could probably set the chairs in place but, they might have to be slid back towards the rear slightly. Also that 2 inch floor mounting board would have to be placed to the side of each chair (I see no problem there). But, your main loss would be that your recliners would not be able to recline at all--or very little. As my chairs sit now, you can not get full recline from them as they contact the front curtain/screen/window. If you disconnect them from their floor securing board (2 hand screwed knobs) you can--like Doug-DKOTTUM said--slide them to the rear of the trailer a little and get more recline.

Let me know if all this needs a photo, I'll move some dogs, dog pillows, hiking boots from behind the chairs and shoot you some pics tomorrow.

By the way, if you have pets, the floor space behind the chairs and between and to the sides of them is great for the little fellows to get out from under feet.

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Hi Howard:
Thanks very much for this - very informative!

I've read your post several times but am still trying to get my head around a couple things. If it's not to much to ask could you take a few pictures as i'm very much a visual person. (sorry)

It sounds like the under window storage needs to go, but i'm not sure that a big deal. I like the idea of having room around and under the chairs as we have a little Yorkie and he likes to curl up under things.

Thanks again

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Articfox, Doug. Just measured my 30 with recliners (villa). On the street side there is 70 inches from fnt wall and the fwd dinette seat back (the 30 layout). And like your 28,' 51 inches from fnt wall and fwd door sill. In front of the dinette seat back, the fold out table is mounted to the street side wall. That cabinet, housing the fold out table is 28 inches wide (you would have 6 inches less than I do from that folding table mount frame and your front wall--but I still think it would work, ie, the table would still have room to fold out without hitting the chair). The center seat pedestal of the villa is 23 inches back from the front wall. The circular base to the whole chair sets 11 inches back and the wooden floor mounted bracket that is for securing the chair from moving is 9 inches from the fnt wall.

If you leave the storage unit (from in front of old sofa) in place, you could probably set the chairs in place but, they might have to be slid back towards the rear slightly. Also that 2 inch floor mounting board would have to be placed to the side of each chair (I see no problem there). But, your main loss would be that your recliners would not be able to recline at all--or very little. As my chairs sit now, you can not get full recline from them as they contact the front curtain/screen/window. If you disconnect them from their floor securing board (2 hand screwed knobs) you can--like Doug-DKOTTUM said--slide them to the rear of the trailer a little and get more recline.

Let me know if all this needs a photo, I'll move some dogs, dog pillows, hiking boots from behind the chairs and shoot you some pics tomorrow.

By the way, if you have pets, the floor space behind the chairs and between and to the sides of them is great for the little fellows to get out from under feet.

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