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06-22-2019, 07:27 AM
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Deb N Jon
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Waterloo
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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New 2018 Flying Cloud pump/water not working
We are in the middle of a northern Ontario park and we cannot get our water to work, all we get is a LOT of air from the faucets, a few spitting, dribbles of water and not much of anything to the toilet. The pump is making a huge amount of noise, when turned on. We have previously owned a 2008 AS so not complete rookies and my husband is an all around fix it kind of guy We will be talking it into Can Am for its deficiencies but would love to use the water on this trip. Your ideas appreciated.
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Deb n Jon
2018 25' RB Twin Flying Cloud
1990 VW Westphalia
1954 Heilite Pop Top camper
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06-22-2019, 07:32 AM
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Waynesville
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water is not flowing
I’m not familiar with the Airstream, but have seen often that the winterizing by-pass valve had not been reset when winterizing was complete.
Something to check. Good luck.
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06-22-2019, 07:35 AM
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Rivet Master
2019 30' Classic
Canfield
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Sounds like you have air in the line. Are you hooked to a campground water supply? If so, turn that off and try opening all the faucets and then turn on the water pump.
You can try this also if not hooked to a water supply. Shut pump off, turn on all faucets, turn on pump.
Do you have water in the fresh water tank? Just asking!
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Tom & Doty
2019 Airstream Classic 30 Twin
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06-22-2019, 11:18 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2013 27' FB International
2012 23' Flying Cloud
GVA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by turk123
Sounds like you have air in the line. Are you hooked to a campground water supply? If so, turn that off and try opening all the faucets and then turn on the water pump.
You can try this also if not hooked to a water supply. Shut pump off, turn on all faucets, turn on pump.
Do you have water in the fresh water tank? Just asking!
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You have air in the line which is before the pump. It needs to prime or capture water before it works .
Keeping the cold side of a faucets in the bath and kitchen wide open while running the pump should drive air out also try closing and opening alternating those faucets,which creates a bit o back pressure. I have found that works for me.
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06-22-2019, 11:30 AM
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Deb N Jon
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Waterloo
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 19
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We are not connected to any campground water supply. We tried opening the faucets in bathroom and kitchen, as well, we tried alternating the opening and closing as was suggested but no water, just fizzle. There is no water in the screen on the pump. Tank is full. How does one prime? We understand the concept of priming a pump from using an old fashion well pump, but how do we do it in the AS? AND where is the by pass valve?
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Deb n Jon
2018 25' RB Twin Flying Cloud
1990 VW Westphalia
1954 Heilite Pop Top camper
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06-22-2019, 11:42 AM
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2019 26' Flying Cloud
Stettler
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Join Date: Dec 2016
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Make sure the strainer is not leaking air. Are you sure you have water in the tank, and it was not inadvertently drained while traveling to your destination? Outside shower off?
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06-22-2019, 11:44 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2018 23' Flying Cloud
Peru
, Illinois
Join Date: Mar 2018
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Prime THIS!
Add the Camco winterization by-pass kit to the pump next opportunity. We keep a gallon of RV antifreeze handy and use it to prime the pump directly.
Camco 36543 Pump Converter Winterizing Kit TRV874795
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2018 AS Flying Cloud 23FB
2018 GMC Sierra Denali 4x4 6.2L
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06-22-2019, 02:46 PM
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Rivet Master
1995 25' Excella
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Take the cap off the strainer and pour a cup of water in it to prime the pump.
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06-22-2019, 03:53 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2013 27' FB International
2012 23' Flying Cloud
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acheron2010
Make sure the strainer is not leaking air. Are you sure you have water in the tank, and it was not inadvertently drained while traveling to your destination? Outside shower off?
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Something to consider , Do you have adequate water in your holding tank???
I'm thinking if it is not a air leak from the line but maybe you are pulling air from your fresh water holding tank. ????
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06-22-2019, 04:01 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2018 25' International
Mound
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As others have said, it sounds like an air leak in the plumbing preceding the pump. This kind of leak can be difficult to diagnose and fix. If possible, connect a tube directly to the water pump and try to draw water directly from a bucket. If the pump works at that point, work backwards to the tank.
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06-23-2019, 06:40 AM
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Deb N Jon
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Waterloo
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Ran out of time yesterday, we will try to implement the ideas you have provided, which are greatly appreciated. I will let you know the result afterwards.
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Deb n Jon
2018 25' RB Twin Flying Cloud
1990 VW Westphalia
1954 Heilite Pop Top camper
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06-23-2019, 04:17 PM
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Deb N Jon
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Waterloo
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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So the pump is working, as we were able to get water out of a bucket but no success getting water to faucets or toilet, I guess its a trip to the dealer when we get home. Water gauge reads 75 but perhaps this is incorrect. Such a shame on a new trailer to have to do things the 'old fashion' way ....Thanks for all the suggestions!
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Deb n Jon
2018 25' RB Twin Flying Cloud
1990 VW Westphalia
1954 Heilite Pop Top camper
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06-23-2019, 08:38 PM
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Rivet Master
1995 25' Excella
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Is water draining out of a low point drain?
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06-24-2019, 07:06 AM
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Deb N Jon
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Waterloo
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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No we had checked that, no water leakage coming from drains.
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Deb n Jon
2018 25' RB Twin Flying Cloud
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1954 Heilite Pop Top camper
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06-24-2019, 08:27 AM
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Rivet Master
1995 25' Excella
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Is the water heater full?
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06-25-2019, 07:01 AM
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Deb N Jon
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Waterloo
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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Yes, the heater is full, we also checked the relief valve on the heater. We now have an appointment next Thursday at Can Am, so until then jugs of water will have to suffice for another week until we are out of the woods.
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Deb n Jon
2018 25' RB Twin Flying Cloud
1990 VW Westphalia
1954 Heilite Pop Top camper
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06-25-2019, 09:35 AM
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Rivet Master
1995 25' Excella
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When you pumped water from the bucket, did the system pressurize and the pump cut off?
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06-26-2019, 01:03 PM
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Deb N Jon
2018 25' Flying Cloud
Vintage Kin Owner
Waterloo
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Join Date: Feb 2008
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No the pump did not cycle off and over the last few days we have filled up the fresh water tank by using large jugs, so that instead of reading 81 it was up into high 90's. We checked to ensure the water heater was also full and we took the water heater off the system, to check if it was a cause. By the way the water heater previously worked on electric but not gas (another story). Now we can at least get some water into the toilet, very low pressure elsewhere and in the shower there is no water coming out. We occasionally are turning pump on it has huge rumbling pump noises and have to turn button off, as it will not do so on its own. Starting to lose track of al the different permutations we have tried.
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Deb n Jon
2018 25' RB Twin Flying Cloud
1990 VW Westphalia
1954 Heilite Pop Top camper
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06-26-2019, 02:11 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' FB International
Trent Woods
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Just to add to the confusion, when I had a similar problem the pump inlet strainer was cracked...hard to see. But, sucking air when the pump came on meant just a little bit of water at low pressure.
Larry
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06-26-2019, 03:03 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2018 25' International
Mound
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Join Date: Oct 2018
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DebnJon
No the pump did not cycle off and over the last few days we have filled up the fresh water tank by using large jugs, so that instead of reading 81 it was up into high 90's. We checked to ensure the water heater was also full and we took the water heater off the system, to check if it was a cause. By the way the water heater previously worked on electric but not gas (another story). Now we can at least get some water into the toilet, very low pressure elsewhere and in the shower there is no water coming out. We occasionally are turning pump on it has huge rumbling pump noises and have to turn button off, as it will not do so on its own. Starting to lose track of al the different permutations we have tried.
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I think the lack of water pressure is the primary problem. The "huge rumbling sound" is not an uncommon complaint even in trailers with fully functioning water pumps. The noise is likely a vibrating pipe (often in the shower), usually fixed by damping it with foam or by securing it with zip ties to keep it from vibrating.
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