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Old 09-17-2017, 01:45 PM   #41
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Since I had some older Dewalt 18v and could get an adapter, I upgraded my drill and driver to Dewalt lithium ion. I had a 12v lithium ion Dewalt drill and mini sawzall lthat I used on thousands of holes. 5 years later batteries and drill still work well. I was able to do 99% of full monte with the 12v. I upgraded for more power with the 20v. I also bought a Dewalt cordless oscillating tool that works great. I use my lithium Ion batteries in my old 18v circular saw and big sawzall.


18 and 20v lithium ion are the same, there is no real difference between the two. That's why Dewalt calls them 20v max.

Little known and done intentionally by the company, Black and Decker owns Dewalt. You will never see the two names together on advertising or marketing.
Although used liberally Milwaukee owns trademark on sawzall.
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Old 05-01-2021, 04:18 PM   #42
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FYI a new thread about the Milwaukee M-12 rivet gun:

https://www.airforums.com/forums/f38...it-222296.html

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Old 05-02-2021, 01:19 AM   #43
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Thanks to nitzo in that new thread for the photo of the M12 compact inflator.

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Very good stuff...........I use the heck outa this thing:
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I thought it looked familiar but did not have time to check out the full M12 line-up again yesterday:

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Innovations/m12

The family has grown in the last 4 years!

Here is that M12 "compact inflator" -- https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Produc...-Tools/2475-20

4" x 7" x 8" -- 7 lbs. +/- -- smaller than one might guess from the photo IMO.


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Old 05-02-2021, 01:30 AM   #44
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PS -- A wide variety of "soft storage"options:

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Produc...s/Soft-Storage

Their small tool bags are very handy IMO -- we have a few.
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Old 05-02-2021, 11:08 AM   #45
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18 and 20v lithium ion are the same, there is no real difference between the two. That's why Dewalt calls them 20v max.
Correct. 18 and 20 volt are the same. Companies became aware they could call 18v "20v" due to a way voltage is measured, and used the opportunity to create an entire new line of tools (each brand with their own proprietary battery) to get consumers to "upgrade" their entire set of tools. Pretty deceptive and very annoying.

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Little known and done intentionally by the company, Black and Decker owns Dewalt. You will never see the two names together on advertising or marketing.
Black and Decker also owns Porter Cable. Some say the quality of both both Dewalt and Porter Cable diminished when they were purchased by B&D. Others insist that nothing changed.

I took apart all my old Black and Decker and Porter Cable NiCad batteries and made adapters (the top part of the battery that attaches to the tool) that allow using Porter Cable lithium ion batteries on all my tools (even the Black and Decker ones). To sort of "prove" the whole 18v/20v thing, I can use either version with any tool.

I also have Milwaukee and Hitachi (now Metabo). It's a pain in the keester having so many batteries and chargers.

In the end, the mileage I get out of any of the "top" brands (Dewalt, Porter Cable, Milwaukee) seems to be better than the next tier down (B&D, Ryobi, etc.) Things are different when you start talking about "bigger" (not battery) tools, however, and I would say that Dewalt and Milwaukee are more "contractor grade" in that category.

My dad used to have all Makita cordless, but they are out of my price range, and don't seem *as* superior to the new 18v tools from other brands.

Also, remember when Craftsman was the *best?* Those days are long gone.
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Old 05-20-2021, 03:45 AM   #46
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Just noticed this Milwaukee M12 fiber-optic camera:

https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Produc...Meters/2313-21
https://www.amazon.com/Milwaukee-231...1451230&sr=8-3

A good addition to the M12 tool quiver if you need to look someplace weird IMO.
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