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10-03-2015, 07:15 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Loganville
, Georgia
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,741
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Keeping Airstream constantly warm when not using
I will have my Airstream parked in an area that will see below freezing temps several times during the winter and I will be using it periodically. I will find it a hassle to put anti freeze in the lines every few weekends when I use it and then have to clean the lines out. My trailer will be hooked to AC the whole time so I was wondering if anybody has a recommendation for a safe space heater with a digital thermostat so I can keep the temp set just set about 5 degrees above freezing. I have found some safe space heaters but the thermostats are
hot cold turn Knobs with no exact temp settings. I want to set it at an exact temp.
I will have my trailer parked in an area that is not close to home and I want to make sure the lines don't freeze so when I show up can use it immediately.
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10-03-2015, 07:59 AM
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Rivet Master
2011 34' Classic
Westchester Cty.NY
, / Miami FL
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 3,122
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having power hooked up is no guarantee the the power won't go out. also, the space heater won't heat the tanks. if you can, i'd set the furnace to come on as a backup to the electric.
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10-03-2015, 08:23 AM
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4 Rivet Member
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Granbury
, Texas
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 412
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I've done this. Get a ceramic portable heater. They are safe and have temp settings. Works for the inside pipes. Remember to open all sink cabinet doors so heat can get to the pipes.
I always blow the pipes out with compressed air and make sure tanks are empty when doing this. Just another precaution. Keep a jug of pink stuff on hand and pour a little in sink and shower traps just because. That won't hurt and you don't have to do anything to clean out for your next trip. Just add some water to fresh water tank and go camping! No mess no fuss!
Oh, be sure to drain hotwater heater when you drain all the tanks! I leave all low point drains, frest water tank and hotwater heater drain open until next trip.
Never had a problem.
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10-03-2015, 08:31 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Loganville
, Georgia
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,741
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Thanks for the info. I always drain my water tanks and the hot water heater. I like the idea of putting anti freeze in traps. years ago when I would leave I blew out the lines with an air compressor and drained all the tanks. The problem I ran into was the faucets froze and cracked. I learned my lesson the hard way and have put pink anti freeze in for the winter. I would prep it for winter and come back in the warm spring. Now I plan on camping in the winter every few to several weeks.
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10-03-2015, 08:39 AM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Globetrotter
Missouri Valley
, Iowa
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 512
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Brian,
I think the safest thing to do is blow out your water lines, drain the water heater and FW tank. Also open the low point drains. The water lines below the floor may be subject to freezing if you have only a space heater in the interior. This would be relatively easy to do IF you have access to an air compressor. The space heater could keep the drain traps from freezing if you open the cabinet doors under the sinks. This certainly won't be as simple as switching on a space heater but is not too difficult.
Dan
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10-03-2015, 08:59 AM
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Rivet Master
1981 31' Excella II
New Market
, Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,145
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I have had no issues with broken lines in my trailer and all I do is blow the lines out. I do put some pink stuff in the traps. The toilet fill valve seems to be the biggest problem. I usually remove the lines to the water pump as well. A space heater on low will keep pipes from freezing if all tanks are empty. Opening cabinet doors will help. I have found the cheap heaters with the thermostat will come on when the temp gets low enough. Open all faucets and drain the shower hose. Water freezing is not as big of a problem when it has a place to go. When it gets trapped between two closed valves, it has to expand as it freezes and something will break. Replacing copper with PEX helps a lot.
Perry
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10-03-2015, 09:16 AM
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Rivet Master
1973 27' Overlander
Loganville
, Georgia
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,741
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I have two airstreams and had to replace both toilet valves. Last year I put a brand new toilet in one of my airstreams in the fall. I tested the toilet and drained all my lines. I thought I got all my lines free of water and found out last weekend when I took the restored trailer on its first trip the toilet valve cracked and leaked. I replaced it last week. I never had a freeze problem where I live before, but last winter was exceptionally cold and the toilet valve was the only thing that got freeze damage. I will put a electric heater in it this year. I will use it during the winter. I guess I better get used to adding pink antifreeze every time I use it. The other one is very far away so I won't be able to monitor it. I have been checking the different heaters to see which one is the safest on to use.
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10-03-2015, 09:34 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 Argosy 20
2014 20' Flying Cloud
Kooskia
, Idaho
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 4,591
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The digital thermostat electric heater you propose may have two issues.
1. It can only measure the temperature where the heater is, which may or may not be what you need to keep pipes and traps from freezing a number of feet away and near the floor or outside walls. In other words an "accurate thermostat" will not insure constant temps all over your trailer.
2. Electronic digital thermostats built into heaters very often lose their temperature setting when a power failure occurs, even a minor one like a half second blip in the power. When the power returns, the thermostat has essentially turned the heater off. So, beware of that issue.
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10-03-2015, 09:49 AM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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We use a Dyson Hot space heater. It measures temperature at it's air intake near its base, heats it and combines it with ambient air pushing it deep into the trailer. It keeps the inside temperature very even throughout the trailer, and is accurate. Does not lose it setting if power is interrupted. High quality so it's expensive, but there are often coupons as well as factory reconditioned heaters that are as nice as new.
You can't effectively heat the plumbing under the floor this way so is important to drain and blow out the lines.
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2012 FC RB, Michelin 16, ProPride 1400
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10-03-2015, 10:07 AM
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Rivet Master
2015 28' Flying Cloud
2018 33' Classic
Cumming
, Georgia
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 518
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cabinetmaker, won't your antifreeze drain out if you leave your low point drains open?
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10-03-2015, 10:25 AM
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Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
Corona
, California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,497
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Winter heating
Airstream trailers are designed to have some of the furnace heat directed to the under the floor tanks.
Heating the space abovee the floor is OK, but it will not protect those tanks from freezing.
If a freeze happens, and lasts for more than 3 or 4 hours, then the tanks "WILL FREEZE" unless warm air is circulated around them
Best way is to set the furnace thermostat to the lowest temperature possible assuring that if that interior temperature is reached, that the furnace will indeed turn on.
Not doing so, will most likely result in frozen tanks and/or frozen water lines, that cost a lot of money to repair, and unless all of it is repaired, then for the trailers that have copper tubing water lines, the coach will forever provide new leaks in new places, especially the fittings.
Best thing to do when freeze is anticpated, is to properly winterize the trailer, or keep some heat in it. Your 2 choices.
Andy
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10-03-2015, 10:56 AM
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2 Rivet Member
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 35
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Same situation
I bought my first Airstream, this past December. Being anxious to use it my wife & I did not want to winterize it. Luckily, we have 30 amp electrical service available to us all of the time. The heat pump will work up to a certain extent. When the temp gets to 40 degrees the furnace automatically turns on. The furnace will keep everything warm enough, even the holding tanks. The only problem I encountered was having to fill the propane tanks. The furnace works on propane only. So if the temp gets cold enough & stays cold you'll be using & refilling the propane tanks. Good luck.Hope this helps.
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10-03-2015, 11:33 AM
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Rivet Master
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 811
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Quote:
Originally Posted by perryg114
I have had no issues with broken lines in my trailer and all I do is blow the lines out. I do put some pink stuff in the traps. The toilet fill valve seems to be the biggest problem. I usually remove the lines to the water pump as well. A space heater on low will keep pipes from freezing if all tanks are empty. Opening cabinet doors will help. I have found the cheap heaters with the thermostat will come on when the temp gets low enough. Open all faucets and drain the shower hose. Water freezing is not as big of a problem when it has a place to go. When it gets trapped between two closed valves, it has to expand as it freezes and something will break. Replacing copper with PEX helps a lot.
Perry
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This is what I do and no problems with freezing. I live in the mountains in Colorado and have no backup heat source.
I blow each fixture line out three or four times to make sure all the water is out. The toilet valve seems to hold water the longest but eventually will be completely blown out.
I have done it enough times so it only takes me about 40 minutes.
When it is time to go camping, I turn on the pump or city water and refill everything. No bad taste because no anti freeze in the lines.
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10-03-2015, 11:50 AM
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Contributing Member
2018 Interstate Grand Tour Ext
Austin (Hays County)
, Texas
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 7,164
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cabinetmaker
I've done this. Get a ceramic portable heater. They are safe and have temp settings. Works for the inside pipes. Remember to open all sink cabinet doors so heat can get to the pipes.
I always blow the pipes out with compressed air and make sure tanks are empty when doing this. Just another precaution. Keep a jug of pink stuff on hand and pour a little in sink and shower traps just because. That won't hurt and you don't have to do anything to clean out for your next trip. Just add some water to fresh water tank and go camping! No mess no fuss!
Never had a problem.
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Precisely what I do in central Texas.. If your A/S has an outside faucet like my Classic, make sure to drain that faucet and leave it open. I also blow out the black tank flush.
The most critical spot is the shower drain. If that freezes and cracks, you have a major problem. Make sure there is plenty of pink stuff in there.
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10-03-2015, 12:15 PM
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Rivet Master
1964 26' Overlander
1974 31' Sovereign
Milton
, ON
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,223
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeltaRon
cabinetmaker, won't your antifreeze drain out if you leave your low point drains open?
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I believe cabinetmaker was referring to putting antifreeze in the drains to prevent the traps from freezing. The low point drains would refer to water supply lines.
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10-03-2015, 04:19 PM
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Rivet Master
1981 31' Excella II
New Market
, Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,145
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If you remove the pipe to the toilet, the water will drain out. The problem is that it is at a low point in the system and it dead headed. You better remember to hook it back up.
Perry
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10-03-2015, 04:28 PM
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New Member
2016 27' Eddie Bauer
Wausau
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Sep 2015
Posts: 2
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please explain this us too
TOTAL NEWBIES**
My husband and I (chrisy) just bought an Eddie Bauer for the two of us and our three golden retrievers. We live in northern Wisconsin and want to use in fall and spring with low temperatures as well as leave from here and drive south in midwinter. Our temps the last 2 years in January and February have had wind chills of 30+ below zero. We are keeping it in a heated garage. We have been given several recommendations when we drive south including 1)nothing will freeze
while you're driving secondary to the constant motion 2) keep the propane
heater going- though illegal in some states 3) keep it winterized until you get 2 days south of Wisconsin.
Problems with all of these: 1) can we use it as an "aluminum tent" while winterized with the potable antifreeze --or are we going to smell that/is it toxic ??
2)does constant motion really work when we will be stopping along the way before we get to warmer destinations or use the propane heater for the night??
We have been following the forums and know that there are many people
using this in cold weather and for skiing etc. We would really appreciate
input as to how this is accomplished.
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10-04-2015, 08:49 AM
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Moderator
2004 30' Classic Slideout
Fenton
, Missouri
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 10,403
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The bottom line is if you leave water in your lines and holding tanks and attempt to try to keep sub freezing temps at bay, it's a crap shoot. For those who don't want to go the rv antifreeze route, you can blow the lines dry. To do it however you need significant air pressure and time to really push the moisture out. My dealer does winterization service without antifreeze, but he notes that it takes time and pressure to do it right.
The only reason I use antifreeze is that I don't totally feel comfortable that I am getting all the moisture out of the lines. While running the furnace is the best way to keep things thawed, one you are rolling, air intrusion can be a factor in keeping those pipes warm.
You spend too much money on these trailers to have to suffer the consequences from freeze damage. If you think it's a pain to winterize, consider the consequences and time to track down leaks and the subsequent repair and/or damage.
If I wanted to travel in the cold, I'd probably spend my time and effort in making enhancements in the water system to make it fast and easy to winterize in short order. Being haphazard or hoping that your guess that your method may work, is not good for the mind. I can't think of anything worse, short of an accident, as broken water lines.
Jack
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10-04-2015, 10:40 AM
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3 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
belen
, New Mexico
Join Date: Jan 2012
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I used a ceramic heater for years just for heat in my 79 31 footer on low it kept it very livable in there
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10-04-2015, 11:58 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2011 27 FB International
Vancouver
, British Columbia
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 228
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I wonder if anyone has used this, or has seen one that would be compatible with newer airstreams.
Hybrid RV Heater Keeps You Toasty Warm
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