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09-10-2013, 11:35 AM
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2 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Wheelersburg
, Ohio
Join Date: Sep 2013
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Help, please.
Hey Guys,
I need some help here. If this is in the wrong place please tell me where it needs to go...
I am in the process of possibly buying this 2009 16' International DWR. I was able to look at it today for the first time and am having a hard time telling about some things. There was a faint stain in the front dinette seat that looks like at some point had water and up on the ceiling above it, a few places that look like the screwed have a tiny bit of rust on them. I'm certain this thing has leaked at some point, I'm just not sure how big of a deal that is.
Up on the roof, I took some pics too, as there is a lot of caulk happening. I think there was a solar panel added at some point (unless theses came factory) and so I'm not sure if that is when the leak could have happened? My husband is a bit worried because along the rivet line on the roof of the camper is generally just a ton of caulking all along it. He's worried they just didn't know where it was leaking so they caulked the crap out of everything. Also shown are pics of the fan and everything else up there that has been resealed at some point.
I'm hoping someone tells me that this is normal to see up on these roofs. With all the sealing and caulking. I know they must be sealed up every so often, but this seemed excessive is all. We love the camper. It looks virtually unused on the inside, just as described to us. But the roof worries us a bit and the leak that may or may not be active scares the **** out of us.
Thoughts?
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09-10-2013, 11:46 AM
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Rivet Master
2005 19' Safari
GLENDALE
, AZ
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 2,453
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Actually, the photos of the roof look pretty typical. Sealing leaks isn't rocket science, and hardly anyone ever looks up there, except the owner when water starts dripping inside. Consequently, it sometimes looks a little rough, depending on who did the work (even in the factory).
Applying sealant caulk is pretty messy, as you'll find out if you patch leaks yourself in future years; and it doesn't have to look like the sealant around your bathtub/shower enclosure in your home, because you can't see this from the ground. While you'd like it to look perfect, after you have been up there for a while squirting and smearing this stuff around, "good enough for government work" starts to come to mind.
If you didn't see any big water spots on the ceiling, inside, I'd say the caulking is working pretty well; and I wouldn't worry about the cosmetic appearance of this sealant. However, if this is a 2009 model and you decide to buy it, you may be gaining some personal caulking experience in the near future...
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09-10-2013, 11:58 AM
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Rivet Master
1984 34' International
Toronto
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,499
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Even if it does leak a little, these are generally an easy fix. Don't get freaked by this, they all leak at some point.
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09-10-2013, 11:59 AM
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Rivet Master
1998 31' Excella 1000
1979 23' Safari
Mooresville
, Indiana
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 597
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No that looks like a typical caulk job, some people are sloppy, but as long as the caulk is stuck good and not coming up or peeling your okay. If your worried about leaks you should find a RV shop with a sealtech. It's a huge fan that pressures the trailer, then you spray soap on it, and look for bubbles.
All Airstreams leak or will leak, it's just how they are. But finding the leak and fixing it before it does damage is key.
Damon
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09-10-2013, 12:03 PM
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Rivet Master
1984 34' International
Toronto
, Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,499
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I've got a water alarm installed behind the bathroom cabinet, underneath the door and the front windows - they will let you know there's an issue before it turns into something big.
Cheap and useful. When I had a brittle washer fail some weeks back it told me immediately.
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09-10-2013, 12:20 PM
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Rivet Master
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake
, Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,714
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Get a moisture detection meter and probe through the vinyl floor into the plywood subfloor around the interior perimeter before you buy any used trailer. Continue to use it as a regular maintenance item after you own the trailer. If there's moisture, you've got a leak.
This one works well, I sharpened the probes a bit to make tiny holes which virtually self-heal in the vinyl
Sonin 50211 Rapitest 10% to 28% Pinless Analog Wood, Concrete, Plaster, Carpet, and More Moisture Meter - Amazon.com
doug
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09-10-2013, 02:25 PM
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2 Rivet Member
1965 17' Caravel
Jamul
, California
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 50
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Julie5,
I bought a used 2009 at the first of this year. No leaks originally, but it did at a crack around the skylight after a heavy rain. I had the roof components completely resealed. It was about $600 - a good investment. Also bought a moisture meter that the Forum folks had recommended.
Good luck!
Susanne
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09-10-2013, 02:58 PM
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Vince & Virginia
1969 21' Globetrotter
Riverside
, California
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 166
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Regarding the stain on the dinette cushions - is this area near the vent in the ceiling? A good rainstorm could easily splash up and under the vent if it was not completely closed.
We just had a freak, hard rainstorm here last week and both my vents were open slightly. (Summer rain is a rare thing here.) Cushions and floors were wet, but not permanently ruined.
If the rest of the trailer is in great shape and the price is right, set your mind at ease and enjoy it.
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"The Towster" 1969 Globetrotter 21' (Silver)
"The Yeti" 2001 Chevy Silverado 2500HD 8.1 Allison Crew Cab (White)
"The Boat" Old Town Canoe Discovery 174 (Green)
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09-10-2013, 03:31 PM
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4 Rivet Member
2007 25' Safari
Fairhope
, Alabama
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 302
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Check Flooring Closely
I would definitely invest in the moisture meter. When we bought ours, we were down on our hands and knees checking out the floor, feeling for bad spots. We noticed that ours had had new flooring installed and were specifically told by the airstream dealer not to worry - "It went back to the factory and was fixed". So we took him at his word and just a little over a year later this is what we ended up with. (As it turns out, it did not got to the Factory to be fixed).
We took to Jackson Center and they did an excellent job finding the leak; replacing the subfloor that had never been replaced and putting in new vinyl. We really love our airstream and are very grateful for "AIRSTREAM - JACKSON CENTER" fixing "Tater" for us.
The first picture is of the floor rot in the entrance way and the second picture is what the now 18 month old vinyl underside looked like.
And just to be clear the dealership, we purchased our airstream from, WAS NOT the wonderful new dealership nearby in MS with whom we have enjoyed doing business with.
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2007 Safari 25' FB Twin
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09-10-2013, 05:06 PM
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4 Rivet Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Memphis
, Tennessee
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 260
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Quote:
Originally Posted by julie5
Hey Guys,
My husband is a bit worried because along the rivet line on the roof of the camper is generally just a ton of caulking all along it. He's worried they just didn't know where it was leaking so they caulked the crap out of everything. Also shown are pics of the fan and everything else up there that has been resealed at some point.
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I'm with your husband.
Unless you are getting one heck of a deal I'd keep looking....a 16 footer is awfully small. I had a 19 footer and it was too small for me and my small dog.
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09-10-2013, 08:12 PM
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2 Rivet Member
Currently Looking...
Wheelersburg
, Ohio
Join Date: Sep 2013
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Thanks guys. After looking the trailer over thoroughly today and finally doing a test with some water on the roof, we did find that we had a leak somewhere. After about 30 minutes of sprinkler water on the roof, we had a dripping start on the inside seam line that runs in front of the kitchen area. I know this is probably really minor and I'm certain we will have this problem down the road with any trailer we end up with, but I will admit, it's tough to swallow buying this particular one knowing it has a leak right now. It's funny, it wasn't really even where I thought it was going to be - over the dinette. It was actually further out in the middle of the hall going back. Sort of right in front of the sink. We aren't sure what we are doing yet. I'm thinking the search continues though....
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09-11-2013, 06:42 AM
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4 Rivet Member
Vintage Kin Owner
Memphis
, Tennessee
Join Date: Jun 2013
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Don't let these guys kid you no leak is ever minor.
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09-11-2013, 08:30 AM
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2 Rivet Member
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Wheelersburg
, Ohio
Join Date: Sep 2013
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Ha! Thanks.. The problem too is I don't own it so it's not like I can dig around up there and find out how extensive it is or even can see where it's coming in at. Sucks all around.
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Originally Posted by LFC
Don't let these guys kid you no leak is ever minor.
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09-11-2013, 10:37 AM
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Rivet Master
1988 32' Excella
Robbinsville
, New Jersey
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 3,134
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Another tricky thing with leaks is that they can change where they come into the trailer depending on how level the trailer is or which way it is off from level.
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09-11-2013, 10:54 AM
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2 Rivet Member
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Wheelersburg
, Ohio
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I never thought of that. I am sure it is off level now that you say that. I am certain it is the reason for the seat stain now...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wazbro
Another tricky thing with leaks is that they can change where they come into the trailer depending on how level the trailer is or which way it is off from level.
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09-11-2013, 01:29 PM
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Rivet Master
1987 32' Excella
Nepean
, Ontario
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,414
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When I bought my '87 Excella 2 years ago, I took it straight to Jackson Center. They initially found the water leak from dried up caulking around the front corner window. In testing the seal after the repair, they found some water seeping in around the rivets at the seam at the front cap. JC did a complete repair - drilled out the rivets and hand bucked in new ones. After they has sealed all the seams, that night while still at the terraport it rained very hard and I saw a few droplets of water coming out the wall above the bed. The next day we determined that some caulking was needed around the mounting brackets of the 3 solar panels. It has been bone dry ever since (a welcome condition after having owned a '94 LY diesel that leaked every time it rained, notwithstanding all the caulking and Eternabond tape).
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1999 Dodge Ram 2500HD Diesel
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