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Old 07-31-2009, 09:00 PM   #1
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Hail damage.

Hi to forum. Am in
negotiations on the final price on a left over 2008 25ft. Safari SS. It has been in the dealer lot since it was new. We were at $39,900 before a $350 million hail storm hit the west Denver area. This unit as well as all of the inventory got nailed with golfball size hail. They knocked off another ten thousand off due to the damage. Currently at $29,900. They will repair all the broken roof parts, will not repair any dents. Still will get the 2yr. warrenty.

I am going to offer them $25,000 firm...take it or leave it. I can live with the cosmetic damage for that price. Thoughts or opinions welcome. Am I off base on this offer? Pictures of the damage shown at this link. Hit the enlarge key on the photos for better viewing.

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Old 07-31-2009, 09:07 PM   #2
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Bob, I wouldn't do it. You should be able to find a quality used trailer without dents for that price.

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Old 07-31-2009, 09:10 PM   #3
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I always worry about my own vintage airstream with hail as we just had a bad hail storm here in WI but missed my home by a few miles.
It would personally bother me because I just love the looks of Airstream but would be bothered by all the dimples.
Although sounds like a great deal if you can deal with the cosmetic damage.
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Old 07-31-2009, 09:16 PM   #4
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I am going to offer them $25,000 firm...take it or leave it. I can live with the cosmetic damage for that price. Thanks .....Bob M.
Hello Bob,
I don't know what it's worth, but personally I couldn't imagine paying $25000 for a trailer with that much damage. How much will it be worth if you decide to sell it in a few years? I don't mind a few dents - both of our trailers have them, but they're 35 and 45 years old. I would not want to be looking at that trailer every day and knowing that I paid $25000 for it.

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Old 07-31-2009, 09:22 PM   #5
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I wouldn't do it. For that price you could buy a very straight gently used trailer. Run away from Windish. You will never be able to resale. Its value will drop (I'm guessing here) another 10k after you leave the lot.

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Old 07-31-2009, 10:47 PM   #6
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I wouldn't touch that one with a 10 ft pole.
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Old 07-31-2009, 11:27 PM   #7
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Ouch... That is one heck of a lot of damage... I have to agree with folks suggesting that you not do it. I personally would never be happy with it. And you can't fix it for for what you think you'd be saving. What's more, you might have trouble insuring it. You can get a very nice trailer for $25,000 that isn't beat to death.

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Old 08-01-2009, 12:29 AM   #8
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This makes little or no sense to me. The dealership has insurance on the trailer and can get it repaired. Why would they sell it in that condition? If the damage is that bad, maybe it might be totaled. In that case they could buy it back from the insurance company for pennies on the dollar, but it would then have a salvage title. I would not pay $25K with that kind of damage.


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Old 08-01-2009, 01:33 AM   #9
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Don't buy it.

Hi, times have changed, but only in dollar value. As far as new cars are concerned, if the vehicle has lot damage of $500.00 or more [might be $2000.00 now] It cannot be repaired or sold in this condition as a new unit. You will still get a mechanical warranty, but a used or salvaged title. I believe that this is or should be the same for travel trailers too. Or look at it this way; With the actual cost of the unit plus the insurance settlement, the dealer will make more profit on this unit than they would on a new cherry unit.

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Old 08-01-2009, 01:38 AM   #10
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Guess I'll have to make 100% against this one. Time to break off negations and keep looking.

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Old 08-01-2009, 02:22 AM   #11
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First this is a leftover 2008 and the 2010's are already out. It's also the 25SS which doesn't have a walkaround queen, and it's not the SE, so it has the cheap Herr windows. It's sat on a lot for 2 years for a reason.

I wouldn't do it either, but if you decide to, I'd say you'll need to have it pressure tested for leaks. Be prepared to re-seal every seam and rivet on the roof and top sides. The dimples near or on the seams will have created leaks - guaranteed. (I finally learned an easy way to get a neat looking bead of sealant - Use blue painters tape on each side of the seam, then seal, wait a few and peel off the tape for a neat job.)

My experience is that new end segment panels cost $1200 each - 5 per end equals $6000 per end or $12,000 just to replace the segments. The top? Well no one sees it... so leaving it alone is possible. The sides don't look nearly as bad as the ends, possibly because that aluminum is not stretched, so it's a bit thicker, and also most of the side panels are near vertical, so they'd get more glancing blows. The side dimples may fade with sun and heat - and a tiny bit of help with vacuum powered suction cups.

It might save you some money to replace the end segments - if you took it to JC and had the factory replace the whole end as one pre-fabricated piece. Part of the labor is cutting the segments apart and drilling rivets on segments that aren't being redone. On new units the ends are assembled as a unit then riveted on.

So... cost to get it "pretty good looking" $12K. Perfect would probably be $20K.

Buy a brand new one undamaged one from one of the top ten dealers and you'll probably be able to negotiate 18% off list.

It's your money and your choice, but I agree with others that (a) it's trade in value will be zilch (b) getting ANY insurance for it might be a problem and (c) the dealer has insurance that will pay for it being totalled.

I'd find out if JC would replace the endcaps for less than $10K, if yes, then offer the dealer $10K or less for the unit with a salvage title.
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Old 08-01-2009, 06:22 AM   #12
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If you are dealing with Windish (Dealer) turn tail and run away as fast as you can. I agree with everyone can get a better deal elsewhere and not have to have the dents. If it's Windish, they won't fix things right anyway.
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Old 08-01-2009, 06:40 AM   #13
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Unrelated to the hail damage I noticed the unit has the "beltline" trim. That would be an indication of either a previous repair or hiding filiform corrosion. I have never seen a dealer proactively install that trim without a customer requesting it on a non-trimmed Safari.
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Old 08-01-2009, 10:24 AM   #14
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I'm agreeing with everyone. The lower roadside panel on ours is about $4,000 to replace, so prices on panels vary considerably. If you really want this, ask them what kind of title you'll get, and then be skeptical if they're telling the truth at Windish.

I expect they're getting an insurance payment on it and would be making more money on thistwo year old trailer than they would otherwise.

The batteries may be bad from being run down for years, the tires are two years old and may have been in the sun all that time, so you may not get many years out of them. Seals have been shrinking in the sun too, so look for markings of leaks inside.

Having bought a trailer from them, I would never do it again. Having brought it there for warranty work, never again.


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