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Old 06-26-2016, 04:24 PM   #15
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Did you measure the weight at the tip of the pro-pride or from the jack post? Could be a difference of 200lbs +/- .
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Old 06-26-2016, 04:51 PM   #16
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I drive a Ford Excursion with a diesel. If that can't haul an Airstream, then I don't know what I'll do short of going to a 3/4 Ton pickup and then getting told I have too much truck.

Measurement was under the jack post on the scale.
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I drive a Ford Excursion with a diesel. If that can't haul an Airstream, then I don't know what I'll do short of going to a 3/4 Ton pickup and then getting told I have too much truck.

Measurement was under the jack post on the scale.
Was the propride hanging off the trailer? If so, subtract 200 +/- pounds form 1150. 950 is a lot closer to the Airstream-specified wieght. The "tongue weight" is measured at the trailer coupler with no hitch attached. The "hitch weight" is the load imposed on the TV hitch by the trailer and any additional components, i.e. the WD hitch.

You will get a slightly lower number at the hitch coupler. In addition, the trailer needs to be level. If it is tongue down, that will increase the weight at the hitch.

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The weight of the ProPride will be nearly erased by the additional length of the ProPride hitch. As Mojo said and has done, the weight difference between the tongue jack post and the ProPride stinger at the truck receiver position is about 200 lbs on his combination.

You can expect about 950 lbs on the truck receiver before weight distribution and even less added to the truck's weight after. Our 2012 FC 25 (factory hitch weight spec 835 lbs) plus our ProPriode hitch plus our loaded Airstream and truck add 840 lbs to the truck after weight distribution, using the CAT scale weighing the truck alone, then with the Airstream hitched and weight distribution set.

Your diesel Excursion is overkill for pulling and weight carrying of your Airstream. Always load heavy stuff toward the center of the Airstream, light toward the ends, and do not overload the axles of your SUV. Hitch weight with the ProPride hitch is the least of your concerns, watch loading, handling, and braking of the truck.
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Old 06-26-2016, 05:20 PM   #19
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With a good WDH with the right bars, 1140 pounds of tongue weight is inconsequential imho.


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Your diesel Excursion is overkill for pulling and weight carrying of your Airstream.
My Excursion is over GVWR with the Airstream hitched per Cat scales and we spent the afternoon dialing it in. We have passengers, bikes and some gear in the truck but have dramatically reduced that.

I always scratch my head when told my truck is overkill and the cat scales say I am way WAY over GVWR.
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My Excursion is over GVWR with the Airstream hitched per Cat scales and we spent the afternoon dialing it in. We have passengers, bikes and some gear in the truck but have dramatically reduced that.

I always scratch my head when told my truck is overkill and the cat scales say I am way WAY over GVWR.
If the Airstream with a ProPride hitch and weight distribution properly set is putting you way over GVWR, the problem is truck loading. We have a similar issue, but loaded still have 800 lbs axle capacity remaining, and the ProPride ensures the axles are nearly loaded equally. We load almost nothing behind the truck's rear axle, that makes the task of the w.d. hitch easier.

We put the bikes on a Airstream Fiamma bike rack, that unloads the hitch weight a bit and no weight in the truck. Also very convenient.
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The weight of the ProPride will be nearly erased by the additional length of the ProPride hitch. As Mojo said and has done, the weight difference between the tongue jack post and the ProPride stinger at the truck receiver position is about 200 lbs on his combination.

You can expect about 950 lbs on the truck receiver before weight distribution and even less added to the truck's weight after. Our 2012 FC 25 (factory hitch weight spec 835 lbs) plus our ProPriode hitch plus our loaded Airstream and truck add 840 lbs to the truck after weight distribution, using the CAT scale weighing the truck alone, then with the Airstream hitched and weight distribution set.

Your diesel Excursion is overkill for pulling and weight carrying of your Airstream. Always load heavy stuff toward the center of the Airstream, light toward the ends, and do not overload the axles of your SUV. Hitch weight with the ProPride hitch is the least of your concerns, watch loading, handling, and braking of the truck.

It just scares the crap out of me when a high quantity poster advises such balderdash as above.

THE NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE!!!!!

My 2005 V-10 Excursion is right at the rear axle limit when my 30' Sovereign is on the hitch.

The GAWR of the rear axle is almost always the first to be overloaded - which is why it is so important to individually weigh EACH axle...and believe what the certified scale tickets are telling you...ESPECIALLY if you live North of the 49th parallel.

Do yourself and everyone else on the highways - if your tow vehicle is overloaded, change to an appropriately rated vehicle. If that is a 3/4 ton or a one ton then so be it. Check your weights and equipment to the ratings of the manufacturers, and don't assume ANY general posters who have not pulled with identical setups.
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Dennis, I have the same truck as you but with a diesel.

Its hard to believe this truck can't safety tow this trailer. From memory, I believe I am well in the axle rating, but over the GVWR.
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Good Grief!!! 1150 lbs of Tongue Weight???

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If the Airstream with a ProPride hitch and weight distribution properly set is putting you way over GVWR, the problem is truck loading. We have a similar issue, but loaded still have 800 lbs axle capacity remaining, and the ProPride ensures the axles are nearly loaded equally. We load almost nothing behind the truck's rear axle, that makes the task of the w.d. hitch easier.

We put the bikes on a Airstream Fiamma bike rack, that unloads the hitch weight a bit and no weight in the truck. Also very convenient.

The problem with your advice is simply this,you always refer to axle capacity.You seem to be oblivious to the other suspension pieces on a vehicle all of which have capacities or limits.Just because you have not exceeded your axle capacity does not mean that you have not exceeded the vehicles load capacity.There are many more critical suspension components that also have limits that you (and others on this forum)seem to ignore.
This can be a very dangerous situation when towing a 4000-7500 lbs Airstream.
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Dennis, I have the same truck as you but with a diesel.

Its hard to believe this truck can't safety tow this trailer. From memory, I believe I am well in the axle rating, but over the GVWR.
Ted, disregard my earlier remarks. I thought your Excursion had more load capacity than our two Ram 1500s, and was trying to help.

My sense was that it does, it can carry the Airstream, but when combined with loading in the truck you are running into overload. Some load adjustments from truck to trailer may be possible, the bicycles for example.

You most probably know it is possible to be within GVWR and still overload a rear axle with the Airstream on the receiver and a heavy load in the back of the truck.
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Our 30' FC AS with two lounge chairs has about the same hitch weight empty. When loaded she drops down a bit to about 1,000#. I tow with an F350 6.7 Diesel and an Equalizer hitch and don't worry about it. You might try loading her up a bit like you are traveling and rechecking the weight.

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When I took delivery of my new 2016 30'FC, I weighed it empty, except for full propane.
The tongue weight was 1200 lbs. at the screw-jack. (Sherlite)
The weight of the trailer was 3000 KG. 6600 lbs.
Later, on a trip, I weighed the TW at the coupler; 995 lbs. Traveling weight was 7400+ lbs.
Both TW weights were well above the "Official" TW. that Airstream quotes.
Huh!!!!
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