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Old 03-04-2009, 12:24 PM   #15
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Thanks, everybody for all your help. I think I found a pretty good deal on eBay for starters.
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Old 03-04-2009, 05:11 PM   #16
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If you have 100 each you will need 125 of each size, if you have 125 each you will need 150
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:10 PM   #17
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You will also want the right sized drill bits. I'm sure others can provide the numbers...
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Old 03-06-2009, 12:15 PM   #18
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They are really necessary, as are the pliers to apply and remove them. I found the best price / shipping ratio from Aircraft Spruce. However, I ended up buying mine from Spencer Aircraft in Puyallup, WA. It hurts to pay a bit more, but I got a 30 min. lecture on how to use them and how to buck rivets properly by one of their aircraft mechanics. Totally worth the $20 extra I paid to shop locally and I told them that. I'm sure you could find something similar in Spokane if you need a refresher lesson.

I would recommend at least 50 of the black colored clecos (5/32") minimum for exterior panel and belly skin work. And at least 20 of the copper colored ones (1/8") for interior panel work. And don't forget the pliers!

If you're shopping for drill bits too, look for the short aircraft style ones. They're about 1 1/2" long and don't break as easily as the long ones you get from the box stores (sharper too).

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Old 03-06-2009, 03:13 PM   #19
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I would recommend at least 50 of the black colored clecos (5/32") minimum for exterior panel and belly skin work. And at least 20 of the copper colored ones (1/8") for interior panel work. And don't forget the pliers!
Guess it depends on the size of your project...we needed about 150 copper and 100 black while working on replacing the side panel on our Safari - and we didn't even put them in every hole!

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Old 03-06-2009, 03:15 PM   #20
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"If you're shopping for drill bits too, look for the short aircraft style ones. They're about 1 1/2" long and don't break as easily as the long ones you get from the box stores (sharper too)."

And if you use 'em in an air drill, they are very fast and tend to cut nearly burr free. I think they are specially ground for aluminum.
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Hi All,
The short bits are called "stub" drills, and they come in single and double ended versions. For critical (aircraft quality) work use the single ended ones, because they run truer. For most airstream work the double ended versions are OK. Many local wholesale machinery supply houses have them in stock; I use Hall Tools in Portland. I only buy the best quality USA (or second choice Taiwan) HSS bits; you can buy them sharpened for aluminum with chip breakers; worth ordering. Thanks to BAC for the background.
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Old 03-09-2009, 01:11 AM   #22
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I like Spencer Too; Great service, and I buy a lot of Aircraft SS fasteners in bulk from them. Super service. Aircraft Spruce is another great vendor.
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Old 03-09-2009, 10:15 AM   #23
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Clecos

As others have stated, you can't get along without clecos. The hand removal tool is $12-14 and you really can't get along without that.

On the other hand, if you want to have a tool that no one else on your block has, get yourself a pneumatic pistol grip cleco tool. Here is an example:

Avery Tools LP - PISTOL GRIP AIR CLECO INSTALLATION TOOL

I'd have to say that one could get along without one of these unless you did sheet metal for a living but the "gee whiz" factor is nearly 10.
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Air powered Cleco tool is on my christmas list now. Thanks for the tip!
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:33 AM   #25
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Air powered Cleco tool is on my christmas list now. Thanks for the tip!
You're welcome! We old FC guys have to stick together. Let me rephrase
that: we guys w/ old FCs have to stick together.
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