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Old 06-26-2007, 08:22 PM   #1
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Exclamation Check your nuts!

Last Saturday I was washing the trailer and brushed up against one of the cap/acorn nuts that holds the awning bolts in place. It spun. Now all of the guys can stop looking around and wondering what I am talking about.

So this afternoon after finishing a two day project on "my" fire fighting airplane, I went outside with some Locktite Red thread locker. I found two more loose. I removed all 10 of the nuts put a drop of the magic stuff on the end of the bolt and put the nut back on. By the time I hit the raod on Thursday they should never come loose again.

I really do not understand why they did not do this or put a lock washer under each nut.
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:25 PM   #2
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Are you nuts?

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Thanks for the tip!
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Old 06-26-2007, 08:27 PM   #3
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Old 06-26-2007, 09:34 PM   #4
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Last Saturday I was washing the trailer and brushed up against one of the cap/acorn nuts that holds the awning bolts in place. It spun. Now all of the guys can stop looking around and wondering what I am talking about.

So this afternoon after finishing a two day project on "my" fire fighting airplane, I went outside with some Locktite Red thread locker. I found two more loose. I removed all 10 of the nuts put a drop of the magic stuff on the end of the bolt and put the nut back on. By the time I hit the raod on Thursday they should never come loose again.

I really do not understand why they did not do this or put a lock washer under each nut.
Ouch! red locktite? You do know that if you ever want to disaccemble, you will need to heat your nuts? I understand that it can be very uncomfortable. Blue loctite should work fine. When I rebuild engines, we used it on rod nuts. Red is intended for studs (no pun intended, but let your mind run free if necessary), so that nuts attach to them with blue would release and leave the stud in place.

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Old 06-26-2007, 10:32 PM   #5
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I once used red loctite on all 32 nuts on a truck. Glad it wasn't my truck. Works good on door lock cylinders too. I mean really, you've got to have balls to use the red stufff on your nuts.
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:33 PM   #6
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Hi, good information. I will look at mine later. Red is too strong. I also vote for blue.

Red Lock-Tite is too strong; It won't fall off, but it will most likely break before un-bolting. My basic rule of thumb is: use Red Lock-Tite on threads 3/8" [10mm] or larger and Blue Lock-Tite on threads 5/16" [8mm] and smaller. Just my opinion!
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Old 06-26-2007, 10:37 PM   #7
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Red is what we have around the shop. We usually use it on engine studs. Oh, I better look and see if it is the high temp stuff.
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Yeah, the bad news is Taking a Torch to Your Nuts! I was being gentle in the earlier post. Hope you never have to take it apart, but if you are like most people you probably didn't properly prep your nuts (sweet Jesus, it just never ends!) so you might get lucky.

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I hate to sound like a nut yet I would've tightened the awning hardware and watched to see if the fasteners continued relaxing under fresh tourqe; after some highway miles and a lot of sun heating cycles and snubbing them down until they stabilized, locktyte'd them... I watched aluminum subway cars go from day one to 500,000 miles in-service, some items thankfully eventually corrosion welded but the hoodoo of fasteners on aluminum rolling stock is wait and see...
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Back to the real subject; the Loctite 242 should work very well when looking for a strong bond but can be unsnapped. Better than the removable but not as nasty as the 600 series.


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On the subject of checking nuts, I would also suggest folks get a torque wrench and bring it with them to check the lug nuts regularly. Only sounds excessive until you've lost a whole wheel assembly because the lug nuts loosened, go unchecked and come off. This happened to a forum member friend of mine to his truck with alum rims WHILE he was towing his Airstream! It's a reality, it does happen, so check yer nuts....lug nuts (and don't apply loctite- either color-- to them).
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Red Loctite is commonly available in low strength and high strength. With any luck, you got the low strength stuff. If not, you'll have to take a cutoff wheel to them to remove them, if you ever need to.
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Great post Cats!

Thanks for the heads-up.

Now what kind of grease are we using in our 2 and 5/16 balls?

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Thanks for the heads-up.

Now what kind of grease are we using in our 2 and 5/16 balls?

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Amsoil Synthetic, same as you would use for your wheel bearings. Safari Rick is a dealer, he can send it to where you are.
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