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Old 02-26-2009, 10:25 AM   #29
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I asked the seller to contact the factory at the tech support # to verify his comments. I shared with the seller that I had in fact contacted support and was told this was not a best practice.

I also asked him after he verifies the info with the factory that he should disclose this info to any prospective buyer. If he does it or not, it's up to him, but he is aware now that the unit has had what appears to be a frame separation repair and the hitch in question, though it alone may not caused an issue, it may very well have been a contributing factor.
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:29 AM   #30
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I thought the rear end problems stopped in the 80's with the center bath models.
There is front end separation problems too, this type of info would scare off a future buyer of the product.

JC needs new engineers or something.....
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Old 02-26-2009, 10:36 AM   #31
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I thought the rear end problems stopped in the 80's with the center bath models.
There is front end separation problems too, this type of info would scare off a future buyer of the product.

JC needs new engineers or something.....
I believe they did solve the issue after the 80s fiasco. The issue is, at least as I understand it, when someone goes outside of the engineered design and puts weight back there, it can happen. It typically won't happen on it's own like in the 80s under the right conditions (without even placing a hitch back there).

Now the front issue you bring up is an issue if all that I have read is true. If it is true, clearly someone cut a corner. Perhaps that has been replaced in new production models? I don't really know, but would be interested in knowing.

This particular seller I don't feel is being dishonest, I just feel he either doesn't know or believes what he is doing is correct. Either way, he needs to learn and be a better sales person as a result of it so that others are not paying the price for his lack of knowledge on the subject.
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:12 PM   #32
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Ok, after asking the seller to really look into what he's claiming and selling, this is what he sent back to me:

"What crystal ball are you using? This unit has not had rear end sepratation!!!The factory doesn't want to be liable for what people putting on the back of their trailers. They also know if you put weight on the rear of the unit it will change the hitch weight for the front.
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Buyer beware.
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:18 PM   #33
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Ok, after asking the seller to really look into what he's claiming and selling, this is what he sent back to me:

What crystal ball are you using? This unit has not had rear end sepratation!!!The factory doesn't want to be liable for what people putting on the back of their trailers. They also know if you put weight on the rear of the unit it will change the hitch weight for the front.

Buyer beware.
Oh, it is smoke and mirrors not a crystal ball. Yes, they do the elephant ears repair for fun....or to have some sort of extra rivet design.....or perhaps it was "sepratation!!!" Oh, man!!!

Buyer beware, indeed......pj
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:27 PM   #34
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BTW, here is the link for the classified ad on this forum. Please be careful and due your due diligence before buying this trailer:

Airstream Trailer & Airstream Motorhome Classifieds - 2000 AIRSTREAMSAFARI 25' - Powered by PhotoPost Classifieds

Ironically here on this forum, where most may know what is going on, he has not shown the hitch or the rear end as he did in the eBay auction. Moreover the seller also has not posted any of the questions pu to him in the auction as many folks do.

Something does stink here and I swear I showered today.
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:58 PM   #35
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Something does stink here and I swear I showered today.
Seems like we folk who actually run the road know more than the reps! I feel for the nice people that buy those
piece of junk coaches; it makes AS look bad by not having the dealers advise (or repair) the problems.
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Old 02-26-2009, 02:03 PM   #36
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I had no idea that this was separation. The unit was removed of this site and Ebay and we will take it to an auction immediately. We run a good business and would never sell any unit knowing it had problems. I dont need the business that bad.

btw...next time you see something just send me an email....the comment you made about me not responding to emails is just not true.
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We have been selling Airstreams for 4 years now. Any help is appreciated. That unit was a trade in. Guess a seasoned Airstream knows when to dump one on a dealer.
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We have been selling Airstreams for 4 years now. Any help is appreciated. That unit was a trade in. Guess a seasoned Airstream knows when to dump one on a dealer]
I'd say, good man for stepping up to the plate; we all learned something.
E-mail all the AS dealers about this, 'cause now you got more sharp-eyed
forum members looking to keep everyone honest. Whoever did the c.s."repair"should be boiled in oil, IMHO.
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Old 02-26-2009, 02:51 PM   #39
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Thumbs up

I agree. This was really and truly the right thing to do.......
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Old 02-26-2009, 07:03 PM   #40
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I'm not that surprised Mike, the AS owner knows more about the product than the salesmen at the dealership.

Years ago, I had an AS salesmen tell me I knew more about the trailers than he did; I'm not that old.

I have had a bad case of aluminutis since high school,

I joke with my friend Silverhobby we could design and built a better unit.
But with all the improvements no one could afford it,
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Old 02-26-2009, 09:53 PM   #41
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I learned something new too. I knew about rear seperation but not the repair and elephant ears. Thanks Twink.

Thanks also to bullet4sale for being honest. We need more dealers like him.
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Old 02-27-2009, 08:18 PM   #42
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Paula's raised an important point. Floor rot at the rear may often be a precipitating factor for rear separation.

Just re-bolting the channel to the frame is merely an interim repair, because attaching the shell/lower C channel to the frame at only one point won't work for long. The aluminum channel is simply not strong enough for one bolt on each frame rail to do the job. The shell/channel needed to be fastened more or less continually to the perimeter of the floor to spread the load out. And that requires a solid floor. Otherwise, the problem will come back, sooner or later.

Inland Andy has thoroughly detailed the an effective approach elsewhere.

I would add that it should probably be done at the same time as replacing the rotted bathroom floor . . . and I see a bathroom restoration in my future. I'm just hoping to put it off for another couple of years. At least the climate is quite dry here, and things don't rot very fast.
Andy's detailed approach is referenced here although it doesn't seem to live on these forums anymore...

I am currently replacing the rear floor section and my Tradewind did not have any of the signs of rear-end seperation although the floor did rot on the back edge. Mine was either done right originally or fixed later because it already fits Andy's description of a proper repair.





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