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Old 05-07-2015, 07:03 PM   #29
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Take a close look at the screen in the rear of your airstream, it should have an extra few inches or even a loop in the plastic rope that holds the screen into the frame. The purpose is to be able to grab and rip loose the screen for an emergency exit. A 1955 Airstream that I'm working on has a second set of latches below the window. Open them and the entire window assembly, including the screen swings out.
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Old 05-08-2015, 12:20 AM   #30
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...? Not all rigs are built the same way and to broadly throw anything not Airstream under the bus based on a one time “fooling around” episode reveals ...indifference to anything non Airstream.....
I don't think you could say I was indifferent, or I wouldn't have made the distinction. The point was NOT to describe the construction of each/every SOB... it was to point out tha you're NOT GOING TO SIMPLY KICK THE WALLS OUT on an Airstream.

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...? ...Low end RV’s tend to be cheaply constructed with thin hardboard interior panels, wood frame superstructure walls and roofs, and thin aluminum or fiberglass siding. Most are stapled together and I think a full grown man could punch or kick his way through a wall constructed in this manner given the proper motivation. .
Is it OK for YOU to say that ...but not others?

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Higher end RV’s are typically constructed with plywood interior wall panels, welded aluminum, or steel superstructure frames and roofs, and 0.125 inch (or thicker) fiberglass, or 0.040 inch aluminum skins which are riveted or bonded to the frame. More robust than my Airstream and a man will not punch or kick his way through without the aid of an axe, chainsaw, etc..
Yes, You're correct...I don't have a lot if experience with ALL SOBs. The ones I have usually encountered are the lower-end SOBs and so those are the only ones I've thought about escaping from.
I never worried about escaping from my buddy's Newell because I never spent the night in it.

Anyway, I thought this was an AIRSTREAM forum and that we were discussing Airstreams... and I don't think anyone is likely to kick their way out of it like some SOBs.


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The key to any emergency is planning, but planning does no good without practice. When adrenaline kicks in we depend on training to know what we should do in a given situation, and practice to develop muscle memory so that reactions become instinctive when seconds really count.
We can agree on something. That was what I intended to express. I didn't realize anyone would be offended that I'd run across an SOB made of cardboard and related an experience with it.

(Is this one of those internet forums where you have to tip-toe around lest someone jump you for participating?)
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Old 05-08-2015, 05:51 AM   #31
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(Quoted for the purpose of focusing the attention, not to challenge any individual)

The trailer is aflame... do you LEAD? or FOLLOW others thru the escape exit?

Have you ever actually participated in a realistic fire-drill in which you, along with others, have demonstrated how to exit a confined space thru a restricted exit?

Have you and your family practiced the maneuver?

If not, then you have a poor chance of success.
I don't take it as a challenge. You bring up valid points.

My Airstream is an Interstate, so it's a bit different from the trailers. All of the exits are doors, including emergency exits.

And yes, I have practiced getting out the rear doors, both with the sofa/bed in sofa mode (where the rear door handles are obstructed) and in bed mode (much easier). And the side door. And the front doors. With my eyes closed and holding my breath. From anywhere in my dinky little Interstate, I can get out the nearest exit in less than 30 seconds.

Getting out the side door is hardest if I start with the doors locked, because unlocking the door without a remote is awkward. Getting out the rear door over the back of the sofa is hardest if I start with the doors unlocked, because climbing over the back of the sofa is hardest. That's the one where I'd be tempted to go out headfirst.
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Old 05-08-2015, 05:53 AM   #32
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Several times people have called or shown up at my place of employment to comment upon posts I have made on this forum. One person in particular demanded I be fired for posting something he didn't agree with.
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Old 05-08-2015, 07:07 AM   #33
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Take a close look at the screen in the rear of your airstream, it should have an extra few inches or even a loop in the plastic rope that holds the screen into the frame. The purpose is to be able to grab and rip loose the screen for an emergency exit. A 1955 Airstream that I'm working on has a second set of latches below the window. Open them and the entire window assembly, including the screen swings out.
That is exactly how my 55 FC is set up. Figured it out while replacing the leaking rear window gasket.
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Old 05-08-2015, 08:43 AM   #34
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While away for the after I returned to find my almost new 40ft diesel motor home full of smoke. The white leather furniture & light colored carpet was now black from soot. I immediately turned on the fantastic fan to help clear the smoke but there was no signs of fire. It turned out to be the electric transfer switch shorted out causing an electrical fire in the basement. The heat in the basement caused some water lines to melt & as I was connected to city water they sprayed causing the breaker at the box to short & trip, so at that point all there was left of the fire was smoke & soot. The fire caused extensive damage to the electrical & water systems of the coach, not to mention the cabin.
This happen in June of 2008, it was December of that year just before Christmas when I picked up the coach in Elkhart, Indiana fully restored & repaired. The insurance company investigated this as a crime scene as initially that thought I torched my own motor home, investigators sealed off the area where it was parked after being towed to Elkhart for repairs. In mid July I flew from Fl to Indiana to meet with investigators & factory reps. By the end of the month they released the coach for repair and admitted it was an accident caused by a faulty transfer switch and agreed to pay the almost $30k repair bills. The moral here is fires do happen, always document the event the best you can & if something does not smell right or operate the way it should check it out. Gut feelings are usually the first indication of trouble.
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We carried these in Naval Aircraft to expedite egress from aircraft in case of an emergency. Would they work in an Airstream? I would certainly not be presumptuous and say that it positively would.

2X! On the aircraft crash axe. I've flown with one next to me for years and have one in the RV. They weigh about 2 lbs and are tough as hell. The handle is insulated so you can chop through high voltage wires (power lines). They can also be used as a weapon. They come with a nice leather wall mount pocket. Very handy piece of safety gear.

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I've seen several fires caused by bad electrical connections and pinched or chafed wires. It a good idea to periodically check terminals and wires. You will often see signs of heating of bad, loose, or corroded connections. Especially those damn plastic coated crimp on connectors.

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Several of the operators we train have had their crash axes removed claiming they've proven to be not useful and unable to create any exits. I don't know if that claim is true, but it surprised me to find some operators no longer carry them and have had them removed from their MELs.
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I have a feeling the "operators" have not been properly motivated.
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Yep. At the very least I consider them a great survival tool. I wish I'd liberated one from the last one I ferried to the boneyard.
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Yep. At the very least I consider them a great survival tool. I wish I'd liberated one from the last one I ferried to the boneyard.

They are worried about them getting ripped off and used as a weapon. Those fears are balanced against the last time one made a difference in an airline crash. Kinda like life vests and rafts.
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My employer has one on each of their almost 800 aircraft. In fact it is a "no go" item if it is missing. I have no doubts about being able to hack through the fuselage with it.
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AS should move or add another fire extinguisher in the back and if you are on the road for a long time put one in your car, if there is a fire while driving you will not be able to get the one out of the trailer, and most important make sure all people know how to use it and are not afraid to do it.
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AS should move or add another fire extinguisher in the back and if you are on the road for a long time put one in your car, if there is a fire while driving you will not be able to get the one out of the trailer, and most important make sure all people know how to use it and are not afraid to do it.
I'd suggest that each OWNER add fire extinguishers as needed. We have one fire extinguisher directly behind the driver's seat and one at the door of our motor home. We don't have one in the bedroom or in the Jeep. I've thought about one in the bedroom, but at this point we're thinking that just getting out will use all the time we have. I may put one in the Jeep so that if we have to bail out of the bedroom there will be one available away from the fire. Have to think about that one.
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