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Old 09-25-2015, 06:17 PM   #85
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Remember... the types of problems mentioned in this thread are commonly found with all RVs. If you think you can avoid "RV-types" of problems by buying some other brand, I believe you may be likely to encounter even more problems with some other brand. RVs can and should be expected to have some problems! That's reality and the current state of the industry.

Simply get comfortable with the fact that you will likely have some RV issues to be corrected and occasional fix-it items that develop over time and use, and you will be a happy, realistic RVer.

Note, as well, that many of the problems with RVs have nothing to do with the maker of the RV, but are issues related to very common components, supplied by third-party manufacturers, with widespread use on many, if not most, RVs.

Many RVs have relatively few problems and some have more than an expected share of them.

If you're going to RV, you need to take some risk of possible problems. Are you feeling lucky?

If dealing with occasional RV repairs is too difficult for you to accept, it may be best for you to not get involved in RVing at all.
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Old 09-25-2015, 06:34 PM   #86
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I think what Airstream Needs is a Traveling Service Van,maybe multiple.

the BEST Factory trained techs,with a fully equipped van.

They Come To You,To your house, to do warranty work.

No B.S.

It might even be more cost effective than paying the dealers.

And I bet they could find a couple/few guys at the factory that would enjoy the job.

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Old 07-04-2016, 04:51 AM   #87
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I think what Airstream Needs is a Traveling Service Van,maybe multiple.

the BEST Factory trained techs,with a fully equipped van.
There aren't enough vans in production to satisfy THAT need.

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Old 07-04-2016, 05:50 AM   #88
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To the original poster. Sounds like your dealer a poor pdi. Those things you mentioned, although factory problems, should have been noticed and corrected by the dealer well before delivering to a customer. In the walk through these could have been caught by the salesperson and addressed before allowing you to take delivery. A pain in the ass but better than having you discover them on your own. I'm convinced that most dealers either don't care, don't have the time, or don't know how to do a correct pdi. All are unacceptable. I hope you can get this straightened out. pdi is pre delivery inspection. Anyone can be taught to do this. Check EVERYTHING out and immediately have a tech do whatever is necessary. Don't understand how some dealers neglect tnis, it costs them in the long run. Some dealers seam to get it, while others just are in a cloud. Good luck.
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Old 07-04-2016, 08:07 AM   #89
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DHart said' "Remember... the types of problems mentioned in this thread are commonly found with all RVs. If you think you can avoid "RV-types" of problems by buying some other brand, I believe you may be likely to encounter even more problems with some other brand. RVs can and should be expected to have some problems! That's reality and the current state of the industry."

I beg to differ on this point. I had an aluminum car hauler with living quarters built by Featherlite that had zero issues. Owned a t@b, also a Thor product, that was innovative and a quality RV with a lot of European design/engineering. Thor sold it to Little Guys. Decided to retire our 2006 Safari 25 FB and turn it into a guest house due to the poor QC and purchase a Sprinter based MH. After shopping and comparing, the AS International MB had many of the same QC issues as the TT. Bought a Unity built in Canada and, again, have had zero issues in three years. While certain things like the water pump and tanks are generic to all RV's, the Unity has upgraded plumbing fixtures, microwave, counter tops and so on.

Based on many of the posts here, I can't help but wonder if there isn't a private label Kool-Aide package with a picture of an Airstream TT on it.
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Old 07-04-2016, 11:32 AM   #90
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I think the dealer's PDI is paramount. We also did an overnight at a full hookup site at our dealership with our Safari and was offered one with the Classic also. This gives you lots of time to check out your trailer and get it home with any found problems repaired.

My dealer was concerned enough about what he had been correcting on new trailers that he sent his Prep guy up to JC to meet with the workers on the line and talk about the things he was finding on newly delivered trailers.

As far as my Classic went, we had some issues. A leak at the shower door (same place as my Safari) which was the initial defect found. Over the next 2 years warranty replaced a skylight, water pump, and about 3 trips in to try to keep the drawers closed. We also had a screw or nail which that penetrated the sliding door pocket which contained the wooden door that closes the center bath from the front area of the trailer. That door got a big scar from that. The door was replaced (must have been a bear to get it out) and the offending protrusion in the pocket removed. The sensor panel was replaced due to a burned out led. A window shade was restrung due to a broken cord.

We also were subject to recalls, the infamous axle bearing grease fiasco that eventually led to Airstream moving away from Henschen axles (mine had the right grease), and a Dometic refrigerator recall.

In the 11 years since the expiration of the warranty, I've replaced another skylight, had the same wheel repaired twice for brake problems, and replaced the air conditioner shroud.

Unlike the auto industry which has seen quality improvements mainly because of robot construction, the RV industry will continue to be subject to the imperfections created by human beings. The fancier our trailers get, the more opportunities there will be to make errors. Considering these trailers roll down the assembly line in different sizes, interiors, models and components, there are lots of opportunities for problems. If you would look at my 2004 year old Classic interior vs todays Classic, it is much more visibly simple. I honestly think that the visual complexity of the new units adds to quality woes. Now there are 5 models built, when in 2004 we saw 3. All that complexity plus the variability of the production line is a quality control nightmare.

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Old 07-05-2016, 10:08 AM   #91
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How to tell that the factory QC did not give a damn about their product and Colonial must have pencil whipped the PDI. The unit sat on their lot for over nine months before we bought it so there was more than ample time to correct the deficiencies:

No "AIRSTREAM" name on the back of the new 2015 23D International Serenity.

Large wad of plastic protective film from the rear lower aluminum panel beside mattress (installed at factory on assembly line) with bedspread on (installed by Colonial).

Front Vista window shade broken and inoperative.

Rubber bumpers on bathroom door installed on wrong side of door latch.

Shower improperly installed with a large gap for a water leak to the subfloor.

On the 2,000 mile trip to the modification center, the dinette leg wore a hole in the very thin linoleum. Fixed by replacing flooring with Marmoleum and putting a 2" x 3.5" x 1/16" brass wear plate under leg.

Found one set of wheel bearings scored from inadequate grease and other three needed grease. Replaced stock non-auto adjusting for auto-adjusting drum brakes and installed Timken made in USA bearings and seals.

The wash job before I got there was a hit or miss with dirt still on the unit.

From my perspective, the over $61,000 cash purchase just did not warrant much of Colonial's attention.

They were quick to open a warranty claim to get paid for the work they should have done under the terms of the PDI. Lack of parts and extended wait time precluded their doing anything major other than taking the plastic off the wall and switching the door stops.

They did, at an extra charge, install the Hensley hitch, Prodigy RF brake control head and swap out the 14" tires and wheels for the 15" Michelins mounted on SenDel wheels with Centramatic wheel balancers and the Dill TPMS 1506-453 system.
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Old 07-05-2016, 01:45 PM   #92
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Brass wear plate?
Fancy.
I may be a bit OCD.
The table leg may never wear a hole in the vinyl flooring, but because I think it might I have a piece of cardboard under the table leg.
The table leg hasn't worn out the cardboard yet...


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Old 07-05-2016, 10:29 PM   #93
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I had some left over flat brass stock from another project so used that for the wear plates under the dinette leg in both trailers.
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Hmm. If I purchased a new one, I would go to Jackson Center and camp in it at the facility before leaving. I would have to work that out with the dealer but it would not leave Ohio until it was fixed.
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There's a dealer in Ohio, right? Maybe that's the place to start.
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A couple that just moved into our Airstream only RV park (Ponderosa Shadows in Lakeside, AZ) said they had ordered a 2015 Classic and the man went to the factory to watch the assembly. After a few days, he called the dealer and canceled the order and purchased a pre 2010 model which had better quality.
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Why is it up to us the consumer to do the final QC check? That is a crap concept! I dont buy the notion of being built by human hands so its going to have problems.... if youre going to ask a premium price deliver a premium product.
there is no way I could have had a career if I sold that philosophy!
we teach these companies to produce junk of we accept it! If more trailers were refused at the time of sale due to flaws and these issues the factory would quickly figure it out and up their quality game!
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I agree.
To expect the consumer to find and fix all production flaws is a poor business model.
To expect the purchaser of a $96,000 travel trailer to deal with issues is absolutely asinine.
For our hard-earned money we expect/demand close to perfection and are well within our rights to do so.
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