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Old 11-18-2013, 07:03 AM   #1
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1963 Globe Trotter newbie

Hello, gang. I just found this forum and I'm a complete newbie who acquired a '63 Globe Trotter in September. She is in overall good condition, mostly original, but it came to me missing much of the plumbing---sinks, toilet, fixtures, water heater, etc.---and has many small repairs needed. I've got a buzzillion questions for anyone that can help me, but here's a short list for starters:

1. anyone have a plumbing diagram for a '63 GT (supply, drain, and/or LPG)?
2. does the black tank (still in place) serve only the toilet on this model?
3. was there a water pump? 12v?
4. Cutout for the (now missing) water heater measures about 16 x 21 inches. Was this original or has it been enlarged?...Replacements on VTS (including the stainless covers) all seem to measure 16 x 16...?
5. LPG lines run under the trailer outside the belly skin----that's normal, right?
6. Anything special about glass replacement---rear and sides? Can't tell if its plexiglass, glass, tempered glass...?
7. There are two compartment doors on the curb side (big and small)---any idea what their original intent was?
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Old 11-18-2013, 08:24 AM   #2
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Greetings, Jeff, and welcome to the forums!

To get your pictures to show through, you'll need to follow some different protocols, especially concerning the proper URLs for their original locations. Check below for more information:

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Old 11-18-2013, 08:37 AM   #3
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Hello, gang. I just found this forum and I'm a complete newbie who acquired a '63 Globe Trotter in September. She is in overall good condition, mostly original, but it came to me missing much of the plumbing---sinks, toilet, fixtures, water heater, etc.---and has many small repairs needed. I've got a buzzillion questions for anyone that can help me, but here's a short list for starters:

1. anyone have a plumbing diagram for a '63 GT (supply, drain, and/or LPG)?
2. does the black tank (still in place) serve only the toilet on this model?
3. was there a water pump? 12v?
4. Cutout for the (now missing) water heater measures about 16 x 21 inches. Was this original or has it been enlarged?...Replacements on VTS (including the stainless covers) all seem to measure 16 x 16...?
5. LPG lines run under the trailer outside the belly skin----that's normal, right?
6. Anything special about glass replacement---rear and sides? Can't tell if its plexiglass, glass, tempered glass...?
7. There are two compartment doors on the curb side (big and small)---any idea what their original intent was?
Thanks!
Jeff



1. None exist.
2. Yes.
3. No. An air compressor was used.
4. That was the original.
5. Correct.
6. Regular glass.
7. Storage.

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Old 11-18-2013, 09:24 AM   #4
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Hey, I have a '63 Globe in Houston. The small curbside compartment is for your battery. The other, large one near the door is general storage. The black tank serves for all grey and black waste. Water pressure is created by a 12v air pump that is or was next to your watertank up front. Many people replace them with water pumps or so I've read. A P.O. replaced the original leaky water heater in mine. The replacement Atwood's cover is ~15 x 18. The jumbo hole in yours was maybe created to get the old water heater out. My trailer has a similar sized patch for this reason. Have fun!
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Old 11-19-2013, 07:21 AM   #5
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Thanks for the info! Grey water goes straight out, thouh, below the holding tank, right? Or does it also go to the tank?
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Hey, I have a '63 Globe in Houston. The small curbside compartment is for your battery. The other, large one near the door is general storage. The black tank serves for all grey and black waste. Water pressure is created by a 12v air pump that is or was next to your watertank up front. Many people replace them with water pumps or so I've read. A P.O. replaced the original leaky water heater in mine. The replacement Atwood's cover is ~15 x 18. The jumbo hole in yours was maybe created to get the old water heater out. My trailer has a similar sized patch for this reason. Have fun!
Thanks for the info! What did you do to get the cover to match in size and material? I thought the standard Atwood covers were powder coat white?
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Old 11-20-2013, 01:31 PM   #8
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Hey balance94. The Atwood's cover is actually grey (in my case). It's not as attractive as the covers that came with these trailers originally but doesn't look incongruous either. You've some really nice skin there and I dig your lime tub! Replacing the glass is a breeze once you get to it. And if you get to shopping for a axle ... I had a good experience with Inland RV. No more lost rivets. Oh, and incidentally you don't need a rivet head shaver for those Olympics. A hand file does the job perfectly.
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Old 11-21-2013, 07:15 AM   #9
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Thanks, Augustine. Afraid I already sprung for the shaver. Oh well. Regarding the glass, what weather-stripping is used? The stuff on it (on the rear) looks to be some kind of pre-fab'd/mitered strip (which is now crumbling).

Also, I'm in Texas, so I guess I won't be using inland RV. How do you know when you need a new axle?
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I'm think VTS carries all the window seals. I recommend you look through axle threads here. The angle of your torsion bars will indicate the health of your axle. From your photos it looks like something you might want to do. Suspension play keeps these from shaking apart and blowing tires. And you really do have a nice one for restore. Inland is just one of the few suppliers. I had the axle shipped to a local RV place for install. Wrenches aren't my cup of tea but reportedly it's an easy DIY operation.
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Thanks, Augustine. Afraid I already sprung for the shaver. Oh well. Regarding the glass, what weather-stripping is used? The stuff on it (on the rear) looks to be some kind of pre-fab'd/mitered strip (which is now crumbling).

Also, I'm in Texas, so I guess I won't be using inland RV. How do you know when you need a new axle?
Keeping a vintage Airstream, is very nice, in many ways.

BUT, the gaskets used 50 years ago, are considered "trash" by today's standards.

Every gasket on your 63 has upgrades, which all provide far superior water leak protection.

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Thanks, Augustine. Afraid I already sprung for the shaver. Oh well. Regarding the glass, what weather-stripping is used? The stuff on it (on the rear) looks to be some kind of pre-fab'd/mitered strip (which is now crumbling).

Also, I'm in Texas, so I guess I won't be using inland RV. How do you know when you need a new axle?
Vintage Trailer Supply has reproduced all of the window & door gaskets for vintage Airstream's, & many other vintage trailers. They used modern materials that don't break down like the originals.
Although the shaver is pretty pricy, the rivets look great when done.
As far as your axle is concerned, there are many threads here that describe the issues, but the main one is the loss of suspension travel & the spring rate going way up due to the age of the rubber rods inside the torsion tube. Would you want to drive on 50 year old rubber tires? You should also keep in mind the age of the brake assemblies, bearings & seals. We've installed many new torsion axles at my shop & it always makes a huge difference in how the trailer rides & tows.
Best of luck on your restoration.You might want to check out The Vintage Airstream Podcast | Vintage Trailer Restoration (The Vintage Airstream Podcast) for restoration ideas.
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How do you know when you need a new axle?
The following article will help you check out your axle as well as answer your questions.

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[QUOTE=Colin H;1382802]Vintage Trailer Supply has reproduced all of the window & door gaskets for vintage Airstream's, & many other vintage trailers. They used modern materials that don't break down like the originals.

New materials that replace the old parts is an absolute advancement.

New technology provides better ways to do many things, in spite of new materials.

Design changes that improve performance of most any material, is the only way to go.

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