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08-05-2019, 04:31 PM
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1 Rivet Member
Fairhope
, Alabama
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 9
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Trailer Breakaway Switch
We are new to the Airstream community .Purchased new 25FB Globetrotter. When preparing for our first voyage noticed the casing to the trailer breakaway switch has melted and encased wires were shorted/damaged. Called dealer and was informed that when disconnecting from tow vehicle one must re-engage the breakaway pin to the switch. Thus this caused some kind of reversal of energy and resulting damage. Anyone experience this? Wasn’t told when checking out that pin had to be reinserted. Also, if this were to happen again is there away to disable the switch so that the trailer brakes don’t lock up, until a repair can be made. Thank you. Have learned a-lot already from the forum.
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08-05-2019, 04:49 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Globetrotter
Salem
, Oregon
Join Date: Nov 2015
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You have me totally confused. I have never had a problem with this switch and the only time it would be activated is when the pin is pulled and that only happens in an emergency thereby activating the breaks.
Other wise the switch is never activated.
Dave
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08-05-2019, 04:59 PM
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Retired.
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Likewise, I'm confused by your post.
Are you telling us you tow your trailer with the pin and breakaway cable removed?
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08-05-2019, 05:00 PM
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Site Team
2007 30' Classic S/O
Somewhere
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Pretty much what Dave said.
If the pin was pulled then that might cause overheating and damage.
And welcome to airforums.
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08-05-2019, 05:32 PM
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Rivet Master
1971 25' Tradewind
1993 34' Excella
Currently Looking...
Estancia
, New Mexico
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I think an easy way to temporarily disable the switch is disconnect the house battery. This would not affect the trailer brakes if they are controlled by the tow vehicle.
I am not familiar with this breakaway switch. Would "pulling the pin" activate the brakes which would make the trailer impossible to tow?
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08-05-2019, 05:34 PM
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1 Rivet Member
Fairhope
, Alabama
Join Date: Aug 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by overlander63
Likewise, I'm confused by your post.
Are you telling us you tow your trailer with the pin and breakaway cable removed?
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Sorry, I have confused because I’m confused. When I disconnected my Airstream from my truck, the pin had to be disengaged from the switch for removal (see pics below) After removing the wire from my truck, I did not reconnect the pin to the switch, thus according the dealer causing the shorting/melting/damage. Make sense? Attachment 1
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08-05-2019, 05:38 PM
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1 Rivet Member
Fairhope
, Alabama
Join Date: Aug 2019
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08-05-2019, 05:59 PM
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Rivet Master
1971 25' Tradewind
1993 34' Excella
Currently Looking...
Estancia
, New Mexico
Join Date: Feb 2005
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Removing the pin activates the brakes which will continue to draw electricity until the pin is replaced. I have never done this except to check the breakaway switch. No reason you could not do this, but only until the trailer is parked, chocked and stabilized.
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08-05-2019, 06:24 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 25' Flying Cloud
Bend
, Oregon
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I think the other posts answer what happened. As you did not replace the pin the max current draw was applied to lock the brakes up and that could well melt the switch housing. So here is my opinion:
1. It is not the dealers fault, it is an unfortunate accident. You can order a replacement brake away switch online and install yourself. If you are not confident about doing it then ask the dealer nicely, maybe you get lucky, or ask a handy friend.
2. you need to check the state of you batteries. They would have received a significant discharge. If you do not know how to do this ask for help here, lots of people here can help. I am using my phone here so can’t search for helpful threads right now, sorry.
3. Get one of these handy dandy fast way things. Makes the process easier... https://www.etrailer.com/Accessories...iABEgIHUPD_BwE
I hope this helps!
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08-05-2019, 06:30 PM
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1 Rivet Member
Fairhope
, Alabama
Join Date: Aug 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gsmblue
I think the other posts answer what happened. As you did not replace the pin the max current draw was applied to lock the brakes up and that could well melt the switch housing. So here is my opinion:
1. It is not the dealers fault, it is an unfortunate accident. You can order a replacement brake away switch online and install yourself. If you are not confident about doing it then ask the dealer nicely, maybe you get lucky, or ask a handy friend.
2. you need to check the state of you batteries. They would have received a significant discharge. If you do not know how to do this ask for help here, lots of people here can help. I am using my phone here so can’t search for helpful threads right now, sorry.
3. Get one of these handy dandy fast way things. Makes the process easier... https://www.etrailer.com/Accessories...iABEgIHUPD_BwE
I hope this helps!
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It does help and thanks to you and all others that replied. Greatly appreciated. I have learned more from the forum than any other source.
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08-05-2019, 06:55 PM
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Rivet Master
1971 25' Tradewind
1993 34' Excella
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Estancia
, New Mexico
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KonaAir
I have learned more from the forum than any other source.
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Be careful with advice. Some people don't know what they are talking about. Present company excepted of course.
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08-05-2019, 07:06 PM
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Rivet Master
2019 27' Flying Cloud
Albuquerque
, New Mexico
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Welcome to The Air Forums
Great pictures by the way.
That really helps us understand the issue and offer a fact-based opinion...maybe, sometimes,.
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08-05-2019, 07:07 PM
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Overkill Specialist
Commercial Member
2020 30’ Globetrotter
2014 23' International
Dadeville
, Alabama
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 4,516
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KonaAir,
Welcome to the forum! Getting a small clip for your truck end of the break away cable will help, at least that’s how I do it. Others are right about checking the batteries. There was quite a bit of flow going through that switch to melt it like that.
How long was the pin on the switch left pulled?
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08-05-2019, 07:09 PM
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Half a Rivet Short
2017 30' Classic
2022 Interstate 24X
Carlisle
, Pennsylvania
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 15,742
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Hi
Ok, the "normal drill" with the breakaway cable:
1) Pin stays in the socket all the time *except* when actually hooking up or unhooking.
2) Pin is never out for more than a minute in either case
3) Breakaway cable is connected to the TV whenever you are in motion.
4) Cable can be left in place when you are parked / hooked up (like in a Walmart parking lot).
What happens if you don't do all this:
1) If you don't hook up the cable when towing you (likely) are breaking the law
2) If you don't hook up the cable when towing you are driving unsafely.
3) If you leave the pin out, you are pulling 10 to 15 A off of the battery. You have something in the range of 150 to 200AH of battery. It will keep powering things until the battery is totally and completely dead. That happens in around 10 to 15 hours.
4) Running the brakes for over 15 minutes (not 15 hours) can damage the magnets in the brakes. Can damage is not the same as does damage. If you let things run for hours, the magnets need to be checked / replaced.
5) As you have discovered, the magic breakaway switch is not exactly a heavy duty item. Yours needs to be replaced.
6) If you did run the batteries flat, that's not good for them. At the very least, check the fluid levels.
Welcome to the learning by doing club .... I've "discovered" a lot this way
Bob
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08-05-2019, 07:11 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 9,180
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Trailer Breakaway Switch
Suggestion. Use a decent stainless steel carabiner to connect your breakaway switch cable to your tow vehicle.
Several of us on the forum have also installed a 1/4-20 threaded stainless steel eyebolt in place of one of our license plate bolts as a convenient place to connect the breakaway cable. It’s a safer location than on the hitch structure itself. Hitch bolts and hitches themselves have been known to fail. Running the breakaway cable to a different anchor point increases safety, IMHO.
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Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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08-05-2019, 08:05 PM
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"Cloudsplitter"
2003 25' Classic
Houstatlantavegas
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Welcome Aboard....👍
Quote:
Originally Posted by KonaAir
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FWIW...The cable should attach to the tow vehicle, receivers also fail.
Bob
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08-05-2019, 08:14 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 28' International
Jim Falls
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Jul 2017
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I agree with above post. I never disconnect pin from the breakaway switch. I use a carabiner to hook line to the pickup where the chains hook up.
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08-05-2019, 08:20 PM
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Rivet Master
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
, California
Join Date: Jul 2013
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Better to use an attach point that is not part of the hitch assembly. Note the parts on the road above....and I bet it still happens occasionally.
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Multiple Yaesu Ham Radios inside and many antennae sprouting from roof, ProPride hitch, Prodigy P2 controller.
2012 shortbed CrewMax 4x4 Toyota Tacoma TV with more antennae on it.
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08-05-2019, 08:52 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 28' International
Jim Falls
, Wisconsin
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 2,310
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rmkrum
Better to use an attach point that is not part of the hitch assembly. Note the parts on the road above....and I bet it still happens occasionally.
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True, but then the chains should also be attached to something different than the hitch. I have actually had a cargo trailer jump off the ball and the chains prevented the trailer from careening around. My guess is that if the hitch falls off that pin is going to disconnect pretty quickly. I’ve accidentally pulled it out just from my foot catching the line briefly while stepping over it. It doesn’t take much force to pull it out.
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08-05-2019, 09:37 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2018 27' Globetrotter
Vancouver Island
, British Columbia
Join Date: Feb 2019
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And don’t forget to criss cross your chains
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