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Old 12-13-2008, 02:41 PM   #29
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To be sure you get the right answer I would contact Dexter directly.

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As a first shot before you contact them look under the trailer at the end of the axle and see how the disc mechanism is attached to the end of the axle. If you see a 5 bolt pattern on the flange at the axle end odds are in your favor because the backer plate for drum brakes have a 5 bolt pattern.
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Old 12-13-2008, 03:14 PM   #30
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Thanks for coming back - drowning my sorrows with 1.99 red wine at the moment. Will look into it tomorrow - forecast is a clear frosty day.

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Old 12-14-2008, 10:46 AM   #31
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Wow

Just finished reading through this thread.

Was thinking of an up-grade for the Classic. BUT, reading this and other threads having major second thoughts. After all, what I got works flawlessly. If it ain't broke, fix it til it is?

Can't imagine how frustrating this must be for you. Keep the faith.

Maybe some of this special vintage would help
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:45 PM   #32
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Cheers Robert Cross,

Sunday evening and opened more red wine - haven't seen Happy Camper on shelves in UK, would love to try it!!

Yes it is frustrating - gonna try brake actuator no. 4. If that fails, blow the expense, these axle ends are coming off and good old fashioned electric drum brakes going on trailer. I can't do with this hassle for our final years of trailering. For us its about living the dream of full timing on the road - sod
electric over hydraulic brakes, they don't work for us!!!

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Old 12-14-2008, 03:52 PM   #33
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Hope electric oveer hydraulic brakes don't become compulsory on motorcycles.

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Old 12-14-2008, 05:49 PM   #34
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Ok, not to go too much backwards, but I know in Europe they use hydraulic brakes that use a tongue actuator... as in a surge brake. I don't see why you couldn't get a new tongue in the UK with the actuator built in to work with the brakes you have now.

Not exactly US standards, but may be better then the electric drums...
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Old 12-15-2008, 08:11 AM   #35
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Don't ever consider Surge Brakes for anything you may want to stop.

Surge Brakes only work when the combination is traveling in a straight line. When you are in a curve the hitch with respect to the Surge brake assembly is actually extended and thus can not apply any force to the Surge. Having almost lost my TV and T, much lighter than an Airstream, coming off the Sky Line Drive I will tell you you only know you are in trouble when you start to smell the front brakes on the TV.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:27 PM   #36
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Yes - thanks. I have seen these on American trailers in the UK, but they have been do-it-yourself efforts operating a master cylinder and not something I would trust with our 870 lbs noseweight. However, I would fit a commerically produced one and have started to search online. If anyone knows of a manufacturer I would appreciate details.

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Thanks for info - yes back plate is 5 bolt pattern. There are limitations with overrun brakes but that's all we have over here in UK and I have been using this type of system for over 50 years. I am looking into this and would seriously consider this type of coupler if it was heavy enough. At the moment we are awaiting dealer's response - if they replace the faulty actuator it will be number four. Airstream just tell us to contact Active Technology. Not the response I would have expected considering how dangerous and life threatening this issue is. At the moment we are not road legal and our insurance is probably invalidated. So we are looking at all options to finish up with a usable trailer.

A plea to anyone reading this thread, what would you do?

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Old 12-15-2008, 02:14 PM   #37
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Another thought on surge brakes.

They generally need about 100 lbs of rearward force on the surge brake system to cause the master cylinder to apply force to the trailer brakes. I mentioned that this force is not there while navigating a curve. Additionally this force would be reduced if you are using a "Cam" type of WD hitch because the friction necessary to ride up on both cams as rearward pressure is applied by the TV brakes would decrease the pressure applied to the surge brake master cylinder. The surge brake system reduce the length of the tongue as pressure is applied to it and thus the bars of a cam type WD hitch will be forced up off the saddles reducing the net force available to the master cylinder.

Now I accept the fact that England does not have hills and switch back curves like those I encountered on the Sky Line Drive but I still would question the use of Surge Brakes on a larger trailer.

If you can get drum brakes for the trailer control them with a brake controller rather than a surge system. Less money and a better system.
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Old 12-15-2008, 06:41 PM   #38
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Another thought on surge brakes.

Now I accept the fact that England does not have hills and switch back curves like those I encountered on the Sky Line Drive but I still would question the use of Surge Brakes on a larger trailer.
I have surge brake system on a 4 wheel drum brake set up on my boat-trailer combo that weighes in at 7350 pounds. It works rather well stopping in straight or non-straight braking conditions. I do not have WD bars and a surge brake system needs a special set up if WD bars are used. However it is possible.

Look at most water craft trailers of any size even up to 10,000 + pound rated ones. You will likely be looking at a surge brake system. When set up they work very well!! For a boat trailer that gets submerged in water electric brakes are not a good thing.

Positives about a surge brake system -
no adjusting a controller or anything to do with a controller as there is no controller
much simplier and less expensive system than electric - less parts and less complex parts
no magnets to wear out
no trailer battery needed in an emergency
no wires to get disconnected or crossed or corroded in a 7 pin connector with the TV
the basic system is the same as in your TV

Negatives about a surge brake system -
can not actuate brakes of trailer independantly of TV (there is small exception to this)
stopping in reverse is an issue
need wd bars it is possible for newer systems - in my opinion this sytems isn't the best for WD bars
same issues as in TV system since it is the same set up as your TV

In my opinion, you remove any wiring concerns from the brake controller to the magnets of the trailer and electric brakes become 80% more reliable. This is likely the issue why Europe does not like electric brakes.

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BTW I have towed my boat and trailer up and down to Flagstaff (Lake Powell) from Phoenix on I-17. This route has at least two 6% grades. Starts at a elevation of 2000 feet in Phoenix and ends at 7000 feet in Flagstaff.

My surge brakes have worked well for this tow on my 7350 pound load.

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1939....

Where in the heck in the UK did you get the F350? I know they sold the f150s over there for a while, did you import it? Also your Classic, it is US spec as well is it not?

Might have been cheaper to move to New Jersey....
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Where in the heck in the UK did you get the F350? I know they sold the f150s over there for a while, did you import it? Also your Classic, it is US spec as well is it not?

Might have been cheaper to move to New Jersey....
Cheaper I can agree with but from another of my first hand experiences not a good idea.
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Thanks folks.

Anyone got a manufacturer's name for surge brake tongue fitting 2.5/16 ball?

Yes - here in the UK we don't have the hills but driving a 20' truck and wide bodied trailer on our back roads can be very demanding, you can be on top of a tractor in seconds, especially with trailer brake problems!! Always use tow haul on back roads.

Airstream is US spec and bought from Bates RV, Florida. Truck came from Gator Ford, Tampa. Both imported for us by UK dealer. Would have ordered F450 if I had known it was a pick-up, thought this model was a chassis cab.

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