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Old 11-05-2009, 08:00 AM   #71
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yea but were they painted black?

mine are painted black

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Dosen't the paint go away after first use and leave bare steel?
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Old 11-05-2009, 09:11 AM   #72
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Dosen't the paint go away after first use and leave bare steel?
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hi bob

that black paint reference and exchange in posts #13-15 is related to centramatics...

these are aluminum plates with oil bathed bearings at the perimeter...

and provide 'continuous' balancing to the wheel/tire assembly.

they are slipped over the lug studs just before the RIM/wheel are mounted.

here's a pic (zooom it) with 2 centramatics and one rotor just before the plate is put back on...

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i had some early concern using them MIGHT limit cooling the rotors and lead to warpage, but that appears to be UNfounded.

the rotors are fine (as are other users), and the balancing plates keep MOST brake dust from reaching the rims.

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i guess is u r thinking of painted rotors, which come in SOME of the kits...

and THAT paint would come off with braking.

for more photos of the installation and other user tweaks read here...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f439...ics-30727.html

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Old 11-05-2009, 09:40 AM   #73
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hi bob

that black paint reference and exchange in posts #13-15 is related to centramatics...

these are aluminum plates with oil bathed bearings at the perimeter...

and provide 'continuous' balancing to the wheel/tire assembly.

they are slipped over the lug studs just before the RIM/wheel are mounted.

here's a pic (zooom it) with 2 centramatics and one rotor just before the plate is put back on...

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i had some early concern using them MIGHT limit cooling the rotors and lead to warpage, but that appears to be UNfounded.

the rotors are fine (as are other users), and the balancing plates keep MOST brake dust from reaching the rims.

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i guess is u r thinking of painted rotors, which come in SOME of the kits...

and THAT paint would come off with braking.

for more photos of the installation and other user tweaks read here...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f439...ics-30727.html

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Old 11-05-2009, 12:48 PM   #74
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Centramatic balancers.

Centramatic balancers contain anti-magnetic weights suspended in synthetic oil, and are automatically redistributed as the wheel turns.

The beads are durametal, a hardened lead alloy. The dampening fluid, is a proprietary synthetic oil.

Centrifical force places the weights in exactly the correct position. down to 1/10 th of an ounce, which produces a continual dynamic balance.

They increase tire life 25 to 50 percent.

They help prevent tire cupping.

Tires run cooler.

Automatically balances as you drive and/or tow.

Reduces vibration.

Easy and simple to install.

They start working at typically 20 to 22 mph.

They are covered by a 5 year "Unlimited mileage warranty".

That information comes from Centramatic.

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Old 11-05-2009, 01:11 PM   #75
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They.....?

claims are only claims.

this thread is really about disc brakes.

with a couple of corollary notes related to the C product.

but there are MANY threads out there on these pie pans...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f438...ate-32907.html

going back AT LEAST 5 years...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f437...ces-10971.html

and on less expensive, also "PROVEN" alternatives...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f438...eads-4460.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f465...nce-28001.html
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in USAGE i've experienced NO INCREASE in tire life and NO CHANGE in tire temps.

but the wheels have ALSO been balanced correctly at the bead and on the wheel back side...

so MY personal experience with the pie pan/plates is mixed, after nearly 3 YEARS of use.

VERY easy to mount, keeps the wheels a little cleaner...

but NOT much else in the way of MAJOR improvements as advertised.

i do pretend that they reduced the NEED for rebalancing tire/wheels as the tread wears away,

but that may be JUST MY IMAGINATION (gotta love that song)

also they do NOT fit behind the standard STEEL spare rim supplied by a/s on newer units.
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the plates ARE nicely made.

another NICE FEATURE is that SO MANY VENDORS carry them,

AND they can be ordered directly from the maker...

CHOICE (brake options, balancing options, vendors) is a very good thing.

but ALL magic claims should be swallowed in tiny bites and with help nearby in cases of a bad reaction to the magic.

i've read that spam makes a VERY good car wax too...

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Someday, someone just might make a product that won't be subject to ridicule, or accused of false ads.

Disc brakes are here to stay, regardless, but if someone doen't like them, they can always go back to electric brakes.

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