Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 08-14-2012, 12:48 PM   #1
Rivet Master
 
1981 31' Excella II
New Market , Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 5,648
Disk brake conversion - Who is best and long term parts availability?

I am trying to make a decision about putting disk brakes on my trailer. I am tired of messing with drum brakes. However, if I am not careful I will spend $1000 and still have problems with substandard parts and parts becoming obsolete because the fly by night Chinese company decided to go out of business etc. I would like a setup that uses off the shelf car calipers and pads so I can get parts 20yrs from now.

Can anyone give me feedback on experiences you have had with different disk brake systems.

Here is a short list of trailer disk brake manufactures.

Kodiak, Tie Down, UFP, Titan, Carlisle, Dexter etc.

Perry
__________________

__________________
perryg114 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 01:02 PM   #2
4 Rivet Member
 
2006 30' Classic
Milton , Florida
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 256
Dexter Disc Brakes

Quote:
Originally Posted by perryg114 View Post
... I would like a setup that uses off the shelf car calipers and pads so I can get parts 20yrs from now.

Can anyone give me feedback on experiences you have had with different disk brake systems.
...
Perry
My unit has the Dexter disc brake system, including brakes, E/H actuator, and axels. I have no complaints with the system as it currently stands, but I had to correct several design and installation issues that Airstream created when they installed the system.

The Dexter system does not use OEM automotive brake pads.

My personal preference is for hydraulic disc brakes, and I would not have a travel trailer with electric brakes.

Have you considered talking with some of the shops that sell and service large horse trailers in your area? They could do such a conversion. Otherwise, talk to J. D. Sanders in Alachua, Florida.
__________________

__________________
F. A. Meloy
2006 30' Classic
Dexter hydraulic disc brake system
Centramatics wheel balancing & Dill TPMS
Hensley hitch & Maxim skylights
Voyager Camera System WVOS713
2010 FORD F-250, ITBC, 6.8 liter V-10 gas, with VIAIR on-board air system
nickmeloy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 01:30 PM   #3
Rivet Master
 
1981 31' Excella II
New Market , Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 5,648
I talked to trailer parts superstore and they recommended Kodiak disk brakes and calipers with a Dexter Actuator. The guy told me the Kodiak brakes were an old Chevy design but he could not tell me what year and model they came from. This would be nice if it were true because the quality for Automotive stuff is going to be better not to mention the availability factor. These are the guys I talked to. Their prices seem to be a little better than etrailer.com

Electric, Hydraulic & Air Trailer Brakes at Trailer Parts Superstore


Perry
__________________
perryg114 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 02:38 PM   #4
Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
 
Inland RV Center, In's Avatar
 
Corona , California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,499
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by perryg114 View Post
I talked to trailer parts superstore and they recommended Kodiak disk brakes and calipers with a Dexter Actuator. The guy told me the Kodiak brakes were an old Chevy design but he could not tell me what year and model they came from. This would be nice if it were true because the quality for Automotive stuff is going to be better not to mention the availability factor. These are the guys I talked to. Their prices seem to be a little better than etrailer.com

Electric, Hydraulic & Air Trailer Brakes at Trailer Parts Superstore


Perry
Our experience has shown that the Kodiak brakes with the Carlisle actuator, works the best.

Andy
__________________
Inland RV Center, In is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 05:24 PM   #5
Rivet Master
 
1981 31' Excella II
New Market , Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 5,648
Well it seems that the Kodiak brakes are the way to go then.

Andy, what is it about the Carlisle Actuator that you like over the Dexter?

I did find out that the claim that the Kodiak Pads were a Chevy part is true. The models that fit the trailer are in the instructions and in their catalog.

Perry
__________________
perryg114 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 05:47 PM   #6
3 Rivet Member
Commercial Member
 
Greg@AirLA's Avatar
 
1960 24' Tradewind
Riverside , United States
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 112
If you have the aluminum wheels that were pretty much standard on that year they will not fit with the Kodiak brakes, OK with the Dexter.
Greg
__________________
Greg Paulsen
Greg@AirLA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 05:49 PM   #7
Well Preserved

 
1993 21' Sovereign
Colfax , North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 20,193
Quote:
Originally Posted by perryg114 View Post
I talked to trailer parts superstore and they recommended Kodiak disk brakes and calipers with a Dexter Actuator. The guy told me the Kodiak brakes were an old Chevy design but he could not tell me what year and model they came from. This would be nice if it were true because the quality for Automotive stuff is going to be better not to mention the availability factor.

Perry
This is the setup we use at the shop for disc brake conversions.
The pads are for a 1986 Chevrolet Celebrity without heavy duty brakes.
Napa has a part number of PD7070AR.
__________________
Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup.
Terry
overlander63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 05:56 PM   #8
Vintage Kin
 
slowmover's Avatar
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,592
Images: 1
Good job, Perry. I'd want to also check with TUSON [DIRECLINK] about their componentry and ask about the release date of their trailer brake anti-lock module (to be sure all components are working together; am assuming you are interested if for no other than FYI).

The heaviest '86 Celebrity I could find appeared to be about 3,300-lbs with driver & full fuel. Assuming a 60-40 FF/RR weight bias, that FA would have been carrying around 1,000-lbs per 14" 185-series tire. I could find no GVWR ratings, much less Axle Weight ratings.

I couldn't find the NAPA # referenced above, but did find (for light duty brakes):

RAYLOC TRu-Stop TS TS7070BM

NAPA Cross Reference is:

Buick Century 1982 - 1989
Buick Skylark 1980 - 1985
Chevrolet Celebrity 1982 - 1989
Chevrolet Citation 1980 - 1985
Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera 1982 - 1989
Oldsmobile Omega 1980 - 1984
Pontiac 6000 1982 - 1990
Pontiac Phoenix 1980 - 1984


EBC Rotors has some "good looking" pads, but the question would be the change in pad size from LD to HD on the Celebrity.
.
__________________
1990 35' Silver Streak Sterling; 9k GVWR.
2004 DODGE Cummins 305/555; 6-manual; 9k GVWR.
Hensley Arrow. 9-cpm solo, 15-cpm towing
Sold: Silver Streak Model 3411
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 06:00 PM   #9
Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
 
Inland RV Center, In's Avatar
 
Corona , California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,499
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by perryg114 View Post
Well it seems that the Kodiak brakes are the way to go then.

Andy, what is it about the Carlisle Actuator that you like over the Dexter?

Perry
Less reported trouble.

Andy
__________________
Inland RV Center, In is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 06:31 PM   #10
Vintage Kin
 
slowmover's Avatar
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,592
Images: 1
Brake Performance has LD specific choices across a range.

Gonna need to get you a G-Tech meter or similar and measure before/after braking G-forces & distances, huh?
__________________
1990 35' Silver Streak Sterling; 9k GVWR.
2004 DODGE Cummins 305/555; 6-manual; 9k GVWR.
Hensley Arrow. 9-cpm solo, 15-cpm towing
Sold: Silver Streak Model 3411
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 06:37 PM   #11
Rivet Master
 
1981 31' Excella II
New Market , Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 5,648
Greg do you mean the Kodiak brake calipers will hit the inside of the rim? I assume you have had this problem? Anymore information you can share on this? I suppose I could order a kit for one wheel and see what happens and send it back if it won't fit.

Perry

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greg@AirLA View Post
If you have the aluminum wheels that were pretty much standard on that year they will not fit with the Kodiak brakes, OK with the Dexter.
Greg
__________________
perryg114 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 06:38 PM   #12
Well Preserved

 
1993 21' Sovereign
Colfax , North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 20,193
Quote:
Originally Posted by REDNAX View Post

EBC Rotors has some "good looking" pads, but the question would be the change in pad size from LD to HD on the Celebrity.
.
Looks like the part number has been updated slightly, Napa probably changed brake vendors.
HD pads will not work. They look similar, but will not fit.
__________________
Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup.
Terry
overlander63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 06:55 PM   #13
Vintage Kin
 
slowmover's Avatar
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 7,592
Images: 1
HD pads will not work. They look similar, but will not fit.

Good FYI, thanks (as I also have this on "the list").
__________________
1990 35' Silver Streak Sterling; 9k GVWR.
2004 DODGE Cummins 305/555; 6-manual; 9k GVWR.
Hensley Arrow. 9-cpm solo, 15-cpm towing
Sold: Silver Streak Model 3411
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2012, 07:01 PM   #14
Rivet Master
 
1981 31' Excella II
New Market , Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 5,648
I asked Kodiak to send me some CAD drawings or a 3D model so I can draw up the whole thing and see what the problem is. A spacer maybe required to make it work. I am running slightly oversize tires as it is and I am not sure how much farther out the tire can go before it hits the fender.

Andy do you have any knowledge of this problem with the calipers not fitting with the stock aluminum rims?

Perry
__________________

__________________
perryg114 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:42 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.