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Old 02-25-2008, 07:58 PM   #15
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There IS a plug connector under the dash, so that will be the easy part. Then, when you say wire to the NEW wiring diagram, are you saying wire it to match the outputs on the Expedition?? That makes sense to me. It may explain why, on the SLOW, short trip home, and from home after remodel to temp storage, I didn't have brakes on the trailer. All lights work correctly, but no brakes. So.........I'm back to the uh, duh stage.

BTW, it's a 78 Sovereign...and I do believe the manual shows the wiring pattern, so if I re-plug it, I just need to align the appropriate trailer wires with the corresponding output on the Expedition, right (again)?
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Old 02-25-2008, 08:11 PM   #16
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Yeah, in theory. you realign the wires to match the output of the Expedition. But you gotta check em, and you can get missleading results from things like brake Light looking like brake Power, using a volt meter. Danged digital volt meters are even more worthless here. Also, from my memory it seems like the new plug has the larger ground wire in a different spot. Also, the brakes want a lot of good, solid amperage.
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Old 02-25-2008, 09:04 PM   #17
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HHHHHHhmmmmmmmm. OK, I think I can get to her again this weekend. We'll see. Also gotta work on the wd hitch (another thread). Once I get that, I'll get to the electric and brakes.......I'm sure I'll be back. Thanks for the help.

Anybody upgrading from their prodigy to a P3? I'd be interested in your used Prodigy.
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Old 03-16-2008, 05:44 PM   #18
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Angry Prodigy sadness

OK, here we go again. Installed the prodigy this morning. 1 red dot and and, well that's about it. NC with the manuak adjust. Reckon I'm gonna be diggin into those brakes and the wiring..........

Installed the prodigy with a FORD factory harness connection to the prodigy, so that should all be good. I need to find another trailer that I can hook up to to see if another trailer will work correctly, then at least I'll know it's the as brake system.

Any Idea'rs??
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Old 03-16-2008, 08:19 PM   #19
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OK, here we go again. Installed the prodigy this morning. 1 red dot and and, well that's about it. NC with the manuak adjust. Reckon I'm gonna be diggin into those brakes and the wiring..........

Installed the prodigy with a FORD factory harness connection to the prodigy, so that should all be good. I need to find another trailer that I can hook up to to see if another trailer will work correctly, then at least I'll know it's the as brake system.

Any Idea'rs??
If you are getting the 'NC' when 'applying the brakes' with the manual switch, there is probably either a short or open somewhere on the trailer brake wiring. Mine would do this (since new) on ocassion and I finally tracked the problem to a weak connection right at the trailer's left brake...under the heat shrink tubing. I then removed ALL of the heat shrink and re-did every connection. No problems since!

One way to check this is to run a continuity check of all of the brake wires on the trailer. Be sure to test the positive leads for a short to ground also. If you get continuity from either end of the + brake wire to the chassis, you have a break in the + wire that is probably causing the failure.
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Old 03-16-2008, 09:41 PM   #20
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On some travel trailers, at least the ones ive had in the past when i would manually squeeze the trigger, without car engine running you can here the brakes working... the magnets moving i guess, but none of those were airstreams. If you know what pin your brakes are on the wiring plug-in reciever on your vehicle, couldn't you use a test light to make sure power is being applied to the trailer???
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Old 03-17-2008, 11:00 AM   #21
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OK, and here is the last peice of the puzzle that I woke up thinking about this morning. The AS has an old 6 pin connector. I've put a 7 pin adaptor on it before plugging into the Expedition's 7 pin female.

Seems that shouldn't be the problem, but it would suggest that maybe a new cord altogether would be appropriate. I think Lewster has me started in the right direction, unless someone out their screams something about the 6 to 7 pin adaptor.........

And of course, it rained last night, so I'm getting into the crawl in the mud clothes............

Thanks for the help. And Lewster, especially the tip on tracking the open + on the brake wire. As i've said, about all I know about electricity is that it knocks me across the room every now and then.

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OK, and here is the last peice of the puzzle that I woke up thinking about this morning. The AS has an old 6 pin connector. I've put a 7 pin adaptor on it before plugging into the Expedition's 7 pin female.

Seems that shouldn't be the problem, but it would suggest that maybe a new cord altogether would be appropriate. I think Lewster has me started in the right direction, unless someone out their screams something about the 6 to 7 pin adaptor.........

And of course, it rained last night, so I'm getting into the crawl in the mud clothes............

Thanks for the help. And Lewster, especially the tip on tracking the open + on the brake wire. As i've said, about all I know about electricity is that it knocks me across the room every now and then.

Ken
Ken,

If you can......replace that 6-pin with a new 7-pin plug! I've seen a lot of problems with old plugs and adapters to them. f it's not a problem now....it will be soon. It's not difficult. Search the FORUMS and you'll find some wiring diagrams for the 6-pin and 7-pin plugs.
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Old 03-19-2008, 10:52 PM   #23
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Wiring Confusion

Ok, I dig into the wiring today. Now, keep in mind I'm a school principal, not an electrician.

I take the 6pin apart and find two odd things. The blue wire, that diagrams show should be the brakes, is not hooked up. The black wire, that diagrams show should be the 12v, is hooked to the 'brakes' pin. There is nothing hooked to the center 12v pin (Is that three odd things?)

So I go to the junction box, located on outside of trailer - driver's side front - and find that the blue wire here is connected to the pin marked RED/STOP and the black wire looks like it is connected to some other black wires on a pin, which I assume is ground. I say this, because their is a white/black wire coming out of the junction box and running under the trailer to the hot and ground on the fridge. Since that black is going to the ground on the fridge, then I'll assume that the black from the 6pin is going to ground.

Now, if there is no 12v coming off the pin, and thus, no 12v going to the trailer, can the brakes work at all? Or is this for charging? I know my battery is bad, but everything runs when plugged into shore power, and everything that can work, works when plugged into the TV. Oh yeah, except the brakes.

So I wonder, if I moved the black to the center pin on the plug, where should it go at the trailer junction box. And then, if I connect the blue wire where it is supposed to be on the plug, shouldn't the brakes work?

All the other wires green, brown, yellow, etc, are connected correctly at the junction box - or so the wiring diagrams and labels in the box would suggest AND everything else works. I hate to work trial and error and blow something out. I disconnected the brake controller from the under dash pigtail before I started - so I'm good there.

Bottom line is, I"m lost. Any ideas out there for me??

By the way, I notice earlier on that I indicated this was a 76. It's not. It's a 78 Sovereign International, 31 foot rear bath. Maybe that will help. Could be this thing has gotta go to the shop..............

Last resort, I could post some photos and/or videos on another site and maybe someone would have some idea.............

While all this was taking place, my beautiful wife took a paint brush and a gallon of removal 220 to the clear coat and, rescuing me from my own inadequacy, redirected me to power-washing the 220 all afternoon.

Even though all is not well under the belly, she's sure looking pretty on the outside......

Couple of spots to clean up tomorrow and she'll be shining bright. Those pic's will post probably tomorrow night.

Thanks for al your help folks!!!!

Ken
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Old 03-20-2008, 05:52 AM   #24
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Ok, I dig into the wiring today. Now, keep in mind I'm a school principal, not an electrician.

I take the 6pin apart and find two odd things. The blue wire, that diagrams show should be the brakes, is not hooked up. The black wire, that diagrams show should be the 12v, is hooked to the 'brakes' pin. There is nothing hooked to the center 12v pin (Is that three odd things?)

So I go to the junction box, located on outside of trailer - driver's side front - and find that the blue wire here is connected to the pin marked RED/STOP and the black wire looks like it is connected to some other black wires on a pin, which I assume is ground. I say this, because their is a white/black wire coming out of the junction box and running under the trailer to the hot and ground on the fridge. Since that black is going to the ground on the fridge, then I'll assume that the black from the 6pin is going to ground.

Now, if there is no 12v coming off the pin, and thus, no 12v going to the trailer, can the brakes work at all? Or is this for charging? I know my battery is bad, but everything runs when plugged into shore power, and everything that can work, works when plugged into the TV. Oh yeah, except the brakes.

So I wonder, if I moved the black to the center pin on the plug, where should it go at the trailer junction box. And then, if I connect the blue wire where it is supposed to be on the plug, shouldn't the brakes work?

All the other wires green, brown, yellow, etc, are connected correctly at the junction box - or so the wiring diagrams and labels in the box would suggest AND everything else works. I hate to work trial and error and blow something out. I disconnected the brake controller from the under dash pigtail before I started - so I'm good there.

Bottom line is, I"m lost. Any ideas out there for me??

By the way, I notice earlier on that I indicated this was a 76. It's not. It's a 78 Sovereign International, 31 foot rear bath. Maybe that will help. Could be this thing has gotta go to the shop..............

Last resort, I could post some photos and/or videos on another site and maybe someone would have some idea.............

While all this was taking place, my beautiful wife took a paint brush and a gallon of removal 220 to the clear coat and, rescuing me from my own inadequacy, redirected me to power-washing the 220 all afternoon.

Even though all is not well under the belly, she's sure looking pretty on the outside......

Couple of spots to clean up tomorrow and she'll be shining bright. Those pic's will post probably tomorrow night.

Thanks for al your help folks!!!!

Ken
The 6 pin plug, is the worst plug on the market.

The best plug, is the 7 way Pollack plug, which is just like the original.

All 7 wires must be hooked up. Thats why they are there.

This is the color code for the trailer wires, that Airstream has used for over 50 years.

Blue = 12 volt charge line.

White = ground

Yellow = brakes

black = backup lights

green = clearance and tail lights

Red = left turn

brown = right turn

Using the trailer without a battery, is not a good idea.

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Get a testlight to be sure. Don't go color to color, I did and reverse locked up brakes. Check functions (with a spotter) and you will have basicaqlly built an adapter from 7 pin round airstream to 7 pin blade modern. Frustrating untill it all works.
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Old 03-23-2008, 07:42 PM   #28
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Thanks for the last couple of posts. After Andy's post, I felt a little stupid, but went out and did what I had to do anyway. Last post is absolutely correct....don't rely on the colors. I couldn't do the brakes because the PO had rewired. They are black and white - and now connected - and now work!! The Blue to the battery was tucked up inside the skin behind a junction box that PO had installed. The blue one that was in the junction box is an additional ground wired for the lights. Without it, they were all very dim (bad ground).

Anyway, I guess someone like Andy, with all his hard-earned wisdom, must get frustrated with stupid questions/predicaments from good-intentioned people.

In the end, I guess I ought not joke around about being ONLY an Elementary School Principal (counselor, father, friend, carpenter, custodian, social worker, plumber, landscaper, police officer, attorney, writer, accountant, nurse, etc, etc, etc.) I earned a bachelors degree in Sociology, Secondary Education Social Studies emphasis, Elementary Education minor (graduated Cum Laude with a 3.90) and a Master's Degree in Educational Leadership (graduated 3.92). I hold Professional Teacher and Professional Princpal licenses in Colorado and Arizona. I could work in any state in the USA and most foreign countries.

I currently educate and help raise 763 kids, plus three more that are the product of a WONDERFUL marriage to a beautiful, brilliant woman - a High School Counselor, also with Bachelor's and Master's Degrees.

I directly supervise 50 teachers and our school is labeled HIGHLY PERFORMING according to Arizonas AZLEARNS rating scales. We anticpate being 'EXCELLING' this year.

We are past owners of the Arkansas River Rim Campground and RV Park in Buena Vista, Colorado. I built that website (Arkansas River Rim Campground and RV Park -Your Home in the Colorado Rockies) as well as our current website (BullWrinkle's Bulldog Ranch - AKC English Bulldogs - Puppies for Sale) where you can see our remodel/renovation project. Not spectacular, but quite functional.

Just an Elementary School Principal - what was I thinking?!?!?
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