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Old 03-10-2013, 06:11 PM   #15
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What if only jacked up temporarily so that one could spin the wheels a few times to move the rods around, and then lowered back to the ground. Or that too negligible to accomplish anything?
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Old 03-11-2013, 09:04 AM   #16
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What if only jacked up temporarily so that one could spin the wheels a few times to move the rods around, and then lowered back to the ground. Or that too negligible to accomplish anything?
The rods are in the axles not the wheels, jacking up and down will move the rods, not turning the wheels.
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The rods are in the axles not the wheels, jacking up and down will move the rods, not turning the wheels.
I realized the rods were in the axles, but didn't consider that the rods do not rotate within the axle. Looking at the design though, I guess their movement is minimal. So it seems that if a trailer is to sit at a campground for awhile, taking the pressure off from time to time would help quite a bit.
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I realized the rods were in the axles, but didn't consider that the wheels had no effect on moving the rods. Good point. So the rods do not rotate at all, and instead simply flex up and down with the weight of the trailer?
The rods flex when the trailer is on the road, by hitting bumps etc.

Unless the trailer is in motion, the flexing of the rods becomes almost impossible.

One way would be to jack up the trailer and then let it back down.

But to duplicate what the road will do, you would have to do that probably at least a thousand times. That would only duplicate a few miles of travel.

And of course that would only work on axles that had good rubber rods.

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The P3 is giving me the "Brakes shorted No Brakes!" Error but it is still sending current to the brakes and they are working pretty well.....so this 1200 mile trip is going pretty well....just left Edisto Island SC and heading to Savannah for St Patricks Day.... About my axles.... I am pretty certain it has the originals under it...it pulls well...I will try to get under it soon and check them....how much are complete axles and where would I get them?
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The P3 is giving me the "Brakes shorted No Brakes!" Error but it is still sending current to the brakes and they are working pretty well.....so this 1200 mile trip is going pretty well....just left Edisto Island SC and heading to Savannah for St Patricks Day.... About my axles.... I am pretty certain it has the originals under it...it pulls well....they look good...how would I even know if they need replaced?
Torsion axles don't last 40 years.

Typically about 25 years and then the rubber rods give up.

But, those rods are destroyed if they were not exercised often enough.

The following article will help you to check them out.

The Dura-Torque Axle

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The P3 is giving me the "Brakes shorted No Brakes!" Error but it is still sending current to the brakes and they are working pretty well.....so this 1200 mile trip is going pretty well....just left Edisto Island SC and heading to Savannah for St Patricks Day.... About my axles.... I am pretty certain it has the originals under it...it pulls well...I will try to get under it soon and check them....how much are complete axles and where would I get them?
We can help you with you axles.

We cannot post prices on what we sell, since we are a commercial member.

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Excellent Andy.... I will give you a call when I complete my current travels and return home....
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Before you buy the brakes check your axles, if they need to be replaced to it would be cheaper and easier to replace all at once.
I can replace the brakes with new self-adjusting stuff and hubs for around $500.00 .... I haven't priced two axles plus shipping but I'm guessing $1200.00-$1500.00...easier and cheaper? I'm interested.....
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I can replace the brakes with new self-adjusting stuff and hubs for around $500.00 .... I haven't priced two axles plus shipping but I'm guessing $1200.00-$1500.00...easier and cheaper? I'm interested.....
Complete replacements are cheaper in the long run.

Bits and pieces typically are not a good match.

But in your case, if the axles are original, the rubber rods simply don't last 40 years.

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I understand some people's way of thinking.... But still it seems odd to worry about some things...my Airstream is 40 years old.... I'm told that my axles have a good 25 years in them.... So for the last 15 year's they have needed replaced... I have personally pulled it many years over mountains and plains.... It has never lost a rivet....everything is straight...tires wear slowly and evenly and it pulls like a dream... I crawled under it today and counted my brake backing plate bolts...it has five...so I indeed have 12 inch brakes...I also noted both axles have some positive angle to them( extremely loaded)... I don't mind spending money on this tub(God knows I've spent buckets) but if I replace the axles then I assume I have to align everything somehow? I just wonder if in 15 years over replacement time nothing bad is happening is it really something I should mess with?.... I've learned the hard way over the years that if something is working good...don't mess with it....now if my AS was coming apart or beating me to death going down the highway I wouldnt ask this question....
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I can replace the brakes with new self-adjusting stuff and hubs for around $500.00 .... I haven't priced two axles plus shipping but I'm guessing $1200.00-$1500.00...easier and cheaper? I'm interested.....
The reason I said cheaper is that if you need the axles anyway buying the axles with the brakes on them is cheaper then buying the brakes then buying the axles separately and for easier when you get both together the only install for the brakes is hooking up the wires since they are already installed on the axles when you get them.

Now as far as if they need to be replaced, you need to read that article from Andy and check them for how much they move. The amount of movement determines if they are good, borderline, bad or doing damage. From everything I have read the axles can go to doing damage if the trailer hasn't been moved for 5-10 years, if the trailer has been used consistently it's whole life the axles last much longer, it may be 25 years to get to borderline, another 10-15 to get to bad and another 5-10 to start doing damage (on less then rough roads).

I suggested checking the axles to see if they are past the point of borderline so they don't get to the point of doing damage.

Who knows a PO may have replaced them already.
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I understand some people's way of thinking.... But still it seems odd to worry about some things...my Airstream is 40 years old.... I'm told that my axles have a good 25 years in them.... So for the last 15 year's they have needed replaced... I have personally pulled it many years over mountains and plains.... It has never lost a rivet....everything is straight...tires wear slowly and evenly and it pulls like a dream... I crawled under it today and counted my brake backing plate bolts...it has five...so I indeed have 12 inch brakes...I also noted both axles have some positive angle to them( extremely loaded)... I don't mind spending money on this tub(God knows I've spent buckets) but if I replace the axles then I assume I have to align everything somehow? I just wonder if in 15 years over replacement time nothing bad is happening is it really something I should mess with?.... I've learned the hard way over the years that if something is working good...don't mess with it....now if my AS was coming apart or beating me to death going down the highway I wouldnt ask this question....
Torsion axles are algned when manufactured, but not by every company.

When Dexter axles are made, as for one, they are aligned, which is part of the cost.

When you line up the rear bolt holes with those in the axle mounting plate, it's done.

Nothing else to worry about, or do, as the alignment is automatic.

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