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Old 12-29-2009, 09:10 PM   #1
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Does it have electric brakes?

I have a 07 F250 with a 5 pin towing package.

Also, I can't go in reverse because the brakes lock-up on the trailer.But only in reverse.

Wiring?

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Old 12-29-2009, 09:17 PM   #2
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Does it have electric brakes?

I have a 07 F250 with a 5 pin towing package.

Also, I can't go in reverse because the brakes lock-up on the trailer.But only in reverse.

Wiring?

Shane
Hi Shane,

Yes, the brakes are electric. Sounds like a wiring problem to me too. How are they working going forward?

If they are locking up in reverse, the brakes could be wired to the backup lights instead of the brake circuit. They wouldn't work at all going forward if the wires were switched in this manner. They could also be wired correctly and your old wiring has a couple of breaks in the insulation allowing the backup light circuit to energize the brake circuit.

As a test, you could remove the fuse to the backup lights in your truck and see if the behavior persists.
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:22 PM   #3
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Does it have electric brakes?

I have a 07 F250 with a 5 pin towing package.

Also, I can't go in reverse because the brakes lock-up on the trailer.But only in reverse.

Wiring?

Shane
Hi Shane, Yes your Argy has electric brakes and the reason your brakes are locking up in reverse is the wiring is wrong. I can't see how the trailer is wired but it should be a 7-pin setup like the pic below.

This is a good link too. Trailer Wiring Diagrams
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Heres some more info.....There is no battery in the trailer....does that have anything to do with it?

BTW...pulls great forward.
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Hi Shane, Yes your Argy has electric brakes and the reason your brakes are locking up in reverse is the wiring is wrong. I can't see how the trailer is wired but it should be a 7-pin setup like the pic below.
Thanks for that diagram Lee, it's a good one. The color coding helps a lot.

The 5-pin connector sounds strange on a new F250. My 2000 F150 has a properly wired 7-pin connector from the factory.
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Old 12-29-2009, 09:27 PM   #6
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Heres some more info.....There is no battery in the trailer....does that have anything to do with it?
I don't think that it would make that kind of difference.
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Good, but how does it stop?
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It stops well, I guess. i have a big truck and don't really feel anything. I've pulled a lot of horse trailers and boats in my life and it doesn't feel any different but I wouldn't know the difference. Also I do have a trailer Gain/Output in my truck, but that wouldnt work on this old trailer would it?
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It stops well, I guess. i have a big truck and don't really feel anything. I've pulled a lot of horse trailers and boats in my life and it doesn't feel any different but I wouldn't know the difference. Also I do have a trailer Gain/Output in my truck, but that wouldnt work on this old trailer would it?
It should work. Electric brakes haven't changed much unless you switch to the hydraulic disk units. Try activating the brakes manually from your controller to verify that they are working. Then use the gain setting to adjust the stopping power of the trailer brakes. The Argosy should be stopping itself, not relying on your F250 to stop it.

The manual control can also come in handy in slick conditions. Of course, we should avoid slick conditions, but having the option can help. Sometimes things come up.
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I did flip the gain switch while driving her home and it said trailer dissconnected.

I don't know, sounds like more money to me.......

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Heres some more info.....There is no battery in the trailer....does that have anything to do with it?

BTW...pulls great forward.
Your breakaway switch will not work if you don't have a battery in the trailer. This is a big safety issue if your trailer comes loose while towing.
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Your breakaway switch will not work if you don't have a battery in the trailer. This is a big safety issue if your trailer comes loose while towing.

Thanks, I know that. Battery goes in tomorrow. Not going to tow it for awhile, though.

Just concerned about these mounting problems.

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I did flip the gain switch while driving her home and it said trailer dissconnected.

I don't know, sounds like more money to me.......

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Hi Shane,

I think that it sounds like another indicator that you have a wiring problem.

Use that wiring diagram that Lee posted and get everything straightened out. All of that should work without spending a lot if the brakes are in working condition. They sound like they are working in reverse, so when the wiring is correct you may be better off than you think right now.

He's also right about wanting a battery in the trailer for the breakaway when you are towing. It's another thing that is already installed and just needs attention, including a battery, to get it working properly.

You need a battery anyway.

Best of luck, I'll keep an eye on your adventures.
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Hi Shane, Yes your Argy has electric brakes and the reason your brakes are locking up in reverse is the wiring is wrong. I can't see how the trailer is wired but it should be a 7-pin setup like the pic below.

This is a good link too. Trailer Wiring Diagrams
I ment 7.....

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Shane, Ya a trailer can nickel and dime you but it is worth it. IMO

Take a look here. Trailer Wiring Diagrams. The more you can DIY the less you have to pay.
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