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Old 12-29-2009, 10:22 PM   #15
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Look what I found....does this make sense?

As simple as surge brakes are, they cannot tell the difference between normal braking and backing up. Consequently, they either need a free backing mechanism that releases the brakes when backing up, or a reverse solenoid wired to the tow vehicle's backup lights to vent brake pressure when backing up.
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Look what I found....does this make sense?

As simple as surge brakes are, they cannot tell the difference between normal braking and backing up. Consequently, they either need a free backing mechanism that releases the brakes when backing up, or a reverse solenoid wired to the tow vehicle's backup lights to vent brake pressure when backing up.
You have electric brakes not surge brakes. This is great though you are learning about the brakes on your Argy.

More to learn here. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you...ler_brake_drum
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the 250 has a modern 7 pin and a modern 4 pin connector.

the gosy has an OLD style connector (different pattern) unless some1 has updated it.

the ford probably has an integrated trailer brake controller too.

however the ITBC will NOT work with the old style gosy connector UNTIL it is updated.

then the ITBC needs to be calibrated, this is in the ford manual.
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so probably u are towing WITHOUT the trailer brakes, except in reverse.

1. fix the wiring
2. calibrate the controller.

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Old 12-29-2009, 10:36 PM   #18
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Have you had the wheels off to repack the bearings yet. If not, then start here. Remove the hubs to pack the bearings. Check all mechanical aspects of your brakes: Shoes, magnets, wiring. If all looks good the check the tailer wiring as suggested and then the truck wiring. your can check trailer wiring with a battery charger by simply connecting a pigtail from the positive side of the charger to the trailer brake wire and the the ground side of the charger to trailer ground. This way you can try to spin the wheels to see if brakes are activating.
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Lee said it perfectly.

Don't I remember that you had a (some) manual(s) coming from another of your posts, Shane? An Owner's Manual and a Service Manual, even if they are not exactly the same year, would help answer a lot of questions and help put your mind at ease. If I had to choose one over the other, I would pick the Service Manual even though they are more expensive. I rarely consult my Owner's Manual but am often checking something in my Service Manual (reprints from https://store.airstream.com/index.php?cPath=51).

For instance, there are instructions in the Service Manual on how to adjust the thermostat in the oven. Mine in the Excella was way off, but after a simple adjustment, it works perfectly. My first gut reaction was to price new replacements. While glass door on mine has lost some silvering, it still looks new otherwise. It works like new now too.

You will have experiences like this with yours too. Somethings things will not work out like you planned and other times you will catch a break. The more you know, the better off you are.
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the 250 has a modern 7 pin and a modern 4 pin connector.

the gosy has an OLD style connector (different pattern) unless some1 has updated it.

the ford probably has an integrated trailer brake controller too.

however the ITBC will NOT work with the old style gosy connector UNTIL it is updated.

then the ITBC needs to be calibrated, this is in the ford manual.
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so probably u are towing WITHOUT the trailer brakes, except in reverse.

1. fix the wiring
2. calibrate the controller.

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When you say fix the wiring, do you mean go buy a new pigtail? Or do you mean swap wires to the right "slot"

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Update: Had a airstream Stealer, I mean Dealer tell me to swap the blue and yellow wires on the trailer. Should fix the problem, so he says. Make sense?

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Lee said it perfectly.

Don't I remember that you had a (some) manual(s) coming from another of your posts, Shane? An Owner's Manual and a Service Manual, even if they are not exactly the same year, would help answer a lot of questions and help put your mind at ease. If I had to choose one over the other, I would pick the Service Manual even though they are more expensive. I rarely consult my Owner's Manual but am often checking something in my Service Manual (reprints from https://store.airstream.com/index.php?cPath=51).

For instance, there are instructions in the Service Manual on how to adjust the thermostat in the oven. Mine in the Excella was way off, but after a simple adjustment, it works perfectly. My first gut reaction was to price new replacements. While glass door on mine has lost some silvering, it still looks new otherwise. It works like new now too.

You will have experiences like this with yours too. Somethings things will not work out like you planned and other times you will catch a break. The more you know, the better off you are.
Dang it, I bought the owners manual. Gonna get the Service manual also.
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...Or do you mean swap wires to the right "slot"?...
yes.

the modern wire sequence is in post #3

below is the ford 7pin wiring...

they need to match.
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now, after doing this you will still need to...

1. CALIBRATE/SYNC the ITBC.
2. then ADJUST the ITBC boost/gain.

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yes.

the modern wire sequence is in post #3

below is the ford 7pin wiring...

they need to match.
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now, after doing this you will still need to...

1. CALIBRATE/SYNC the ITBC.
2. then ADJUST the ITBC boost/gain.

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the modern wire sequence is in post #3

When you say this you mean my trailer wiring? Maybe the word "Modern" is throwing me off.
Please forgive me but but the diagrams in post 3 are mirror images of each other right.
I'm just learning. at age 41.....DOH!!

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Please forgive me but but the diagrams in post 3 are mirror images of each other right.
I'm just learning. at age 41.....DOH!!

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Hey Shane,

They are mirror images. The one on the left should be the view looking into the plug on the rear of your tow vehicle. The one on the right should be the view looking into the trailer plug.

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The old wire standard for 7-pin.
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The old wire standard for 7-pin.
Honestly, Lee that above diagram confuses me even more.



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Honestly, Lee that above diagram confuses me even more.



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