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Old 03-01-2004, 08:10 PM   #15
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Re: Goodyear Marathon= tubeless?

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last night as i was looking through some posts here i found a link that listed all the A/S trailer tongue wts and dry wts.... but now i cant find it.
but i did write down the
57 overlander dry wt of 3,170 / tongue 260........ and
62 tradewind dry wt of 3260 / tongue 400........ and i thought wow... the overlander is older/bigger but yet it is lighter and i was wondering how this could be ?

both of these trailers are single axle. but the above wts are refering to the unsprung wt. that is the wt of the trailer that rests on the springs/axle. right?

the split rims are the type that has the retention ring on the outer most part of the wheel. it snaps and locks into its place as the tire is inflated. they are tube type tires. if precautions arnt taken when inflating them injury can occur.

also i was looking at wheels and it looks like the 2600# is the max for 15/6 wheels..... i was wondering if those 'E' designated load rate tires( the special order ones ) are 15" or are they for 16" wheels? thanks paul
Aren't Goodyear Marathons supposed to be tubeless tires? Another reason to think about changing rims.
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Old 03-01-2004, 09:43 PM   #16
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Greetings Paul!

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also i was looking at wheels and it looks like the 2600# is the max for 15/6 wheels..... i was wondering if those 'E' designated load rate tires( the special order ones ) are 15" or are they for 16" wheels?
My understanding was that the tires were 15". I also think that one of the factors in the deliberation was that finding a steel wheel with the necessary weight rating was proving difficult - - there are aluminum wheels with up to 3,600 pound trailer rating - - I was looking at a set for my Overlander that complimented the new wheels on my Cadillac - - I think that the aluminum wheels with the 3,600 pound trailer rating were $280.00 each. (special order price). I know that the tire/wheel dealer that I was working with had access to numerous manufacturers and had one that listed steel wheels in the 15" size for trailers with up to 3,600 pound trailer weight ratings - - since I was only considering switching to aluminum wheels I didn't pursue further information on the steel wheels that he mentioned.

Good luck with your tire/wheel purchase!

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Old 03-25-2004, 10:46 PM   #17
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Some more info on split rims (rentention ring style) please.

I am lucky that my '67 tradewind has one piece rims, and with the 2 axels, the weight is a little less.

But we just got a '51 Silver Streak Clipper, single axel, that has a bizar center hole. It has the old style ford 5x5.25 bolt pattern, but the center hole is a lot bigger. The local wrecker of all things truck never saw such a thing. So I just might be stuck with the orininal splits.

Sooooo, I too always heard that they were dangerious, and outlawed and all that, but exactly why. I just dismounted on of mine and can see why they were developed, you can actually do it yourself without special equipment. CLEARLY, it must be all about the rentention ring. It is obvious that crud and rust fills in the grove the ring seats in, and a bad seat would allow the ring to fly off during inflation. If the grove was sandblated, and the ring wire brushed, and everything nice and clean, where would the problem be?

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Old 03-26-2004, 09:33 AM   #18
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Bruce.

To remove "ANY" rust, will also remove some of the metal, further weakening the ability for the ring to stay in place.

Many people have been severely hurt and a few have been "KILLED" doing exactly what your doing.

Good luck and make sure your life insurance policy is current.

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Old 03-26-2004, 06:32 PM   #19
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Well, insurance is all paid up. No kids, so all the wife really needs is enough to put me in the ground. I wouldn't want to argue Andy, but a little more theory would be of interest.

As for the tires themselves, I just got back from Goodyear and was told;

1) the E series is discontinued. I told them that the chat line says different, but he is sticking with his story.

2) that no matter what they say, there AREN'T 6 plys, but only 6 ply rating. Again I said that the chat line says different.

3) his price was $105 for the tire.

Oh well.
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Most all of the old trucks used split rims. It was not uncommon in the 50's and early 60's to hear of people getting killed inflating tires with split rims. I can't remember hearing of anyone getting killed installing tires on one piece rims.

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Old 03-26-2004, 07:26 PM   #21
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I'll have a set tomorrow on Mags.

Shop around...that price is high. Costco has been listed here for $92.

I'm getting the Marathons in a D rating mounted on a aluminum wheels for $149. That's NEW.

http://www.trailer-parts-forless.com...l_assembly.htm
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Wow...am I learning a lot from the forum. I am getting my first Airstream within the next month or so, and she has been sitting on the same lot for about 12 years. I was all excited about doing the actual renovation until someone mentioned about the tires, then I started doing research on the tires, and am now kind of overwhelmed but am learning a lot. I have a dual tandem axle 1957 26" Overlander. Two wheels. Got lots of good suggestions on the towing part of it, and then people started to talk to me about replacing the tires. I know I have a lot to learn, and I am good about doing a lot of research (sometimes to the point of overkill-but the safety of myself and others while I'm towing this isn't something I want to risk). I have a Discount Tire close to me, and would be able to get tires there...what would be best for my gal?

She just seems like a gal, for some reason. *shrug* I had a 1987 Firebird at one point that was definitely a HE. I can't explain that one.

Anyway, what would be best? I'd appreciate any suggestions.
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Wow...am I learning a lot from the forum. I am getting my first Airstream within the next month or so, and she has been sitting on the same lot for about 12 years. I was all excited about doing the actual renovation until someone mentioned about the tires, then I started doing research on the tires, and am now kind of overwhelmed but am learning a lot. I have a dual tandem axle 1957 26" Overlander. Two wheels. Got lots of good suggestions on the towing part of it, and then people started to talk to me about replacing the tires. I know I have a lot to learn, and I am good about doing a lot of research (sometimes to the point of overkill-but the safety of myself and others while I'm towing this isn't something I want to risk). I have a Discount Tire close to me, and would be able to get tires there...what would be best for my gal?

She just seems like a gal, for some reason. *shrug* I had a 1987 Firebird at one point that was definitely a HE. I can't explain that one.

Anyway, what would be best? I'd appreciate any suggestions.
There are a number of issues to take into consideration:
  1. Your coach may still have split rims which were typically utilized as original equipment during this time period. Today, they are not generally considered to be safe as the two-parts must be precisely joined and the riggors of rust can prevent this -- so many shops will not work on these wheels. Most any tire dealer can obtain new wheels that will fit your coach. The easiest method is to take one of the current wheels with one of the tires that fit the coach to your tire dealer. Your tire dealer can then measure the rime for offset, bolt circle, and center diameter to specify the new wheels for your coach. The tire can be measured and compared to the current tire sizes to arrive at the closest likely fit. By having the tire shop perform these measurements, they are assuming more of the responsibility and will likely be more cooperative if the new equipment doesn't fit your coach properly.
  2. With many vintage coaches, fitting tires can be a rather critical process as wheel well clearances are often quite tight. Even with carefuly measurements, the newly installed tires need to be double-checked to verify that they aren't contacting either the frame or wheel well.
  3. There are two lines of thinking regarding tires. There are those who prefer ST rated tires while others prefer LT rated tires. To me, it is a personal choice. I have had good luck with Good Year Marathons since 1980 -- I have only had one failure in 28 years. Currently, I have ST 225 75 R15 load range D Marathons on my '64 Overlander.
  4. Typically, Load Range D tires are often suggested for the single axle Overlanders while Load Range C tires are usually suggested for the tandem axle coaches.
Goog luck with your tire investigation!

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I'd rather have a well built 6 ply rated tire from Goodyear than a chinese tire with 8 actual plies.
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I think we're in total agreement than Carlisle chinese tires are less than adequate and that Goodyear tires are great.
Sorry to bust your bubble guys, but the Goodyear Marathons are made in China now also.
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