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Old 02-09-2019, 10:41 PM   #43
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Correct, and common knowledge. Any trailer use is outside design intent.

That said, I am on my second set of LTX (Defender now) LT tires on my AS. Do it with eyes wide open as the empirical data suggests nothing better out there. But I expect no coverage, period! Watching the Endurance closely for my next set.
Yep michelins.are expensive.....I may go to endurance when this set of Michelins go south... for the price difference you could put new ones on every 2 years...20,000 miles...last set of michelins had 3 yrs and 30000 miles...they developed cracks in the bottom of the tread.....
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Old 02-10-2019, 07:15 AM   #44
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Firestone is owned by Michelin........
Firestone is owned by Bridgestone.

Michelin owns Goodrich and Uniroyal.
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:21 AM   #45
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I just spoke with our local Discount Tire Shop concerning LT tires on a TT, They sell an in house full replacement warranty and it applies to TT as well. It takes the final cost for Michelin Defenders LTX 235/85R16 to $1209. Considering the tire cost is close to a thousand dollars, the $1209 price tag seems worth the Discount Tire warranty. Has anyone gone this route and did you run into any issues? Thanks in advance, Russ
Why 235/75/16? Very large....I use 225/75/16.... I only paid 208 each at Costco...never will I pay $1209...I will go to 225/75/15 endurance for $130 each....I could afford to replace every 2 years....and be money ahead...lol.....michelins May over price themselves...
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You get what you pay for in this case.
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Old 02-10-2019, 10:40 AM   #47
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Firestone is owned by Bridgestone.

Michelin owns Goodrich and Uniroyal.
Yep.....my bad....
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Old 02-10-2019, 03:26 PM   #48
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Michelin warranty does not apply on TT???

I seem to remember the LTX Defenders were rated as LT and I use to run on my 25' AS's; when I talked with Michelin they were covered by Michelin warranty, but I never had an issue so not sure if they were or wern't. Also, I would note Michelins are standard on several 16" wheels on many models of AS...so not sure I believe they would not be covered with warranty by Discount Tire? I know my new 15" GY Endurance are covered by Discount Tire and Goodyear.

Since the Michelin LT rated tires are only available in 16" or larger now, did not see the need to spend money on new wheels and Michelins when the Endurance model seems to be working fine, is less expensive, and also is standard on most AS's now, with 15" wheels.

I do run the 20" LTX LT Michelins on my F250....that is what came standard on the King Ranch and they worked well the first 50K miles so got the same tires last month for replacment...Costco sale was too good to pass up on these, and they do have warranty.
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Old 02-10-2019, 09:00 PM   #49
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Our trailerís wet weight is close to 9500. Heaven forbid we ever over load it. The tires are rated at 3040 pounds, times that by four you have 13600. Now multiply this by .875 ( Max pressure of 80 psi, tire inflated to approximately 70 psi) and this equals 11,900. Take the trailer weight, times it by 1.2 roughly about 350-400 pounds extra per tire. This gives a little bit of cushion regarding the tires. Am I over thinking it? We pull off road and into some out of the way places. Last thing we need is tire issues so Iím hoping a slightly larger, more robust tire will hold up better.
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My Discount Tire guy says that Michelin owns Bridgestone. Although, not an Airstream, I have about 60M on them without a hitch. On the trailer, I will keep using the Michelins It LTs.
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We installed the 15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires on the stock 15" wheels on our 2013 25FB and ran 44 psi. After upgrading the 2015 23D from the stock 14" GYM and wheels to 15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires on 15" SenDel T03-56545T wheels, we run 44 psi in the tires.

Those were the previous generation Michelin tire with a sidewall rating of 2,183 pounds @ 50 psi - and were derated to 1,985 pounds for trailer use. Two tires are rated 3,970 pounds for either the 3,800 pound axles of the 25FB (28, 27, 25, and 27FB use this axle) or the 3,000 pound axles of the 23D.

Our 25FB scaled 7,035 pounds camping ready with 5,860 pounds on the two axles. There was still plenty of load margin. And the numbers on our 23D are:

Tongue………928
Front….1,280……1,246 - total front axle 2,526
Rear…..1,376……1,233 - total rear axle 2,609
Total Axles………5,135
Total Trailer….6,063

Andy Thompson at CanAm has installed these 15" Michelin tires for years, even on the tri-axle Classics. with GVW of 11,000 pounds and recommended the 44 psi. These tires have a larger tire foot print for better braking that the GYM tires when the roads are wet and a lower psi so as to not beat the trailer to death on rough roads.

I had the 25FB tires mounted at CostCo by bringing the OEM tires and wheels and they did the exchange. Got a screw in one and it was replaced by CostCo as a road hazard. Discount tire has warranted the tires on on the 23D and the16" Michelin LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 tires mounted on our Classic.
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Our trailerís wet weight is close to 9500. Heaven forbid we ever over load it. The tires are rated at 3040 pounds, times that by four you have 13600. Now multiply this by .875 ( Max pressure of 80 psi, tire inflated to approximately 70 psi) and this equals 11,900. Take the trailer weight, times it by 1.2 roughly about 350-400 pounds extra per tire. This gives a little bit of cushion regarding the tires. Am I over thinking it? We pull off road and into some out of the way places. Last thing we need is tire issues so Iím hoping a slightly larger, more robust tire will hold up better.

No your not over thinking it.
You have a good margin of safety and at 70 PSI a nice soft ride for the trailer.
Exactly how I have my rig set up.
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Frankly/Frank, Have you been thoroughly satisfied with the performance of your tires set up like this? I realize the 235 are a little wide. Have you had any clearance issues whatsoever with 235? Our trailer is it lifted 3 inches.
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Our trailerís wet weight is close to 9500. Heaven forbid we ever over load it. The tires are rated at 3040 pounds, times that by four you have 13600. Now multiply this by .875 ( Max pressure of 80 psi, tire inflated to approximately 70 psi) and this equals 11,900. Take the trailer weight, times it by 1.2 roughly about 350-400 pounds extra per tire. This gives a little bit of cushion regarding the tires. Am I over thinking it? We pull off road and into some out of the way places. Last thing we need is tire issues so Iím hoping a slightly larger, more robust tire will hold up better.
9500 lbs?.. our 13 31í Classic has 7800 # on the 2 axles...1050# are on the tongue...so you are down to 8500 on your axles and tires?....
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I just spoke with our local Discount Tire Shop concerning LT tires on a TT, They sell an in house full replacement warranty and it applies to TT as well. It takes the final cost for Michelin Defenders LTX 235/85R16 to $1209. Considering the tire cost is close to a thousand dollars, the $1209 price tag seems worth the Discount Tire warranty. Has anyone gone this route and did you run into any issues? Thanks in advance, Russ
Costco..225/75/16....$205....X...4. =$820....no warranty...says so on my receipt..what is the warranty worth?...
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