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Old 09-04-2016, 02:28 PM   #15
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Sounds like you were prepared and did everything you could possible do to prevent this sort of thing happening. Sometimes the fickle finger of fate rears its ugly head no matter what we do or brand of tire we roll on. Big thing is that you and your family are ok and the trailer can be fixed.
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Old 09-04-2016, 03:29 PM   #16
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While the Airstream leadership continues to extoll the qualities of the GYM's, even as recently as the Lewisburg rally in July, I find it interesting that they did go to the 16" wheels and Michelin's on the '15 and newer Classics. When I took delivery of a new '12 28' International CCD, complete with the GYM's, I removed the stock 15" wheels and GYM's and installed 16" wheels and Michelin's before my first trip. Why? I'd read pages and pages of history here on AF about issues with the stock tires. At my second Alumapalooza, I saw a heartsick couple who'd diverted to JC for repairs to their trailer after having a GYM blow out on them -- completely shredding the underbody. Aluminum doesn't stand a chance when I steel belt lets loose at highway speed. Your post is a good reminder. AND, having had a wheel issue myself -- with the Good Sam Roadside assistance, I think this is a pretty essential service. Just glad you folks were OK. Stuff can be repaired much easier than people.
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Old 09-04-2016, 04:45 PM   #17
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e. Torque Wrench. I checked everything I could find and then spent the money for the wrench Airstream sells. It's a monster, and spot-on accurate. Once you get a good one, it's no trouble to check torque daily while on the road, and you only need set it once. After the towing mechanic mounted the wheel, I stepped in to put on all the lug nuts, ensuring that he didn't use his air gun and over-tighten them. Here's what I believe is TERRIBLY IMPORTANT! Airstream tells you to check torque a few times after changing a wheel, and THEY'RE RIGHT. After 25 miles every single lug nut needed retightening, and after 50 additional miles they all needed it again. Please -- ensure you do this! Finally, a reminder if you're new to torque wrenches. Never, ever, ever use it as a breaker bar to remove the lug nuts; only to tighten them. If you do, you'll ruin the calibration.

Hi, sorry to hear about your bad tire problem; And glad to hear about the good Police. As for the torque wrench, I only torque mine once before each trip and never again until the next trip. Checking torque everyday is way overboard. Most click type torque wrenches are supposed to be returned to the lowest number when done using it. Mine is returned to 20 lbs. Leaving pressure on the torque wrench for long periods of time can effect accuracy. I only re-torque my wheels once after a wheel has been completely removed. I found that on the third time, nothing has changed so I don't do third time torque anymore.
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Old 09-04-2016, 04:58 PM   #18
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We have not yet purchased a torque wrench. So pardon my unfamiliarity. But can you please tell me what a breaker bar is.
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Old 09-04-2016, 05:02 PM   #19
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We have not yet purchased a torque wrench. So pardon my unfamiliarity. But can you please tell me what a breaker bar is.
The proper name is flex handle but every body calls breaker bar. It is long bar that socket fits on end allowing force to nuts to break loose, hence breaker bar. I have two lengths, they may make longer ones, but IMO longer than what I have would be subject to break as I some times use piece of pipe to put more force on nuts. Bill
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A breaker bar is a long non-ratcheting handle that fits a socket. The longer it is, the easier it is to break free a tightly torqued nut.
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On tandem axle Airstreams, you can avoid retrieving and installing the spare tire on a busy or narrow highway to save time out there by removing the flat tire and proceeding to a safer spot to replace it. Actually you can travel a considerable distance on the remaining three wheels safely, it's in the Airstream Owners Manual.
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Old 09-04-2016, 05:18 PM   #22
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Sears makes exc. torque wrench, snap on tools and couple of large tool co. make exc. ones. Buying stay away from cheapies as not accurate, also pur. click type rather than bar type. they come in various sizes and pounds or inch pounds, for AS use need foot lbs. type, use 1/2 drive sockets standard or 3/8, 3/4 sockets w/adapter. Bill
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Dont blindly trust a torque wrench cheap or expensive. They all need to be checked often and recalibrated every couple years.
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Old 09-04-2016, 06:42 PM   #24
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On tandem axle Airstreams, you can avoid retrieving and installing the spare tire on a busy or narrow highway to save time out there by removing the flat tire and proceeding to a safer spot to replace it. Actually you can travel a considerable distance on the remaining three wheels safely, it's in the Airstream Owners Manual.
If doing this, one should be conscious of tire and wheel ratings. In my case (Classic 30 Slideout with 9100# GVWR, tongue weight 950#) the axles are carrying 8150#. Three LT225/75-16E Michelins are specified for 8040#, only a slight overload. But assuming equal loading, the lone tire on one side rated at 2680# and the wheel rated at 3580# are now carrying 4075# and are significantly if not seriously over-stressed. At some point the tire will be so damaged as to require replacement. I'm not professing to know where that point is, it's just a consideration to keep in mind for heavier trailers.

Of course, sometimes traveling on three wheels may be unavoidable to safety considerations, but one should understand what the margins are in their individual trailer and tire situation and take appropriate action.

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We have not yet purchased a torque wrench. So pardon my unfamiliarity. But can you please tell me what a breaker bar is.
Lol -- no problem at all, Piggy (may I call you Piggy?) -- if I had a nickel for everything I didn't know about Airstreaming I'd be a really, really wealthy guy.

As soon as I'm able I'll post a picture of the breaker bar and the torque wrench. The breaker bar is just that -- a solid steel bar that accepts a socket that "breaks" (unfastens) the lug nut from the wheel. You can put an extension bar on it to get more leverage, and Rich Luhr (Host of Alumapalooza and author of The Nearly Complete Guide to Airstream Maintenance) recommends stepping on it if the nut is too tight to remove with your arm strength.

The torque wrench -- via a couple of different techniques -- measures the amount of force between the nut and the wheel; an extremely important thing to know. If the nuts are put on too tight you can shear the wheel bolts off, and if they're too loose you can lose a wheel. For my aluminum wheels Airstream recommends 110 lbs of torque.

The reason you never want to use a torque wrench to loosen the nuts is because you're using the wrench in the opposite direction of the way it measures force, and in doing so you'll probably ruin the calibration, rendering it useless.

Does that help?
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Breaker bar

Walmart sells a breaker bar "kit" that includes an extendable bar plus two sockets that have four different sizes for about any lug nut you'll likely encounter. It's handy for several reasons: the handle slides in so it's easy to store in a tool bag, the bar is at an angle to it so an extension isn't required, and it's relatively inexpensive.

Look in the automotive section.
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Goodyears are not good tires, but a couple times over 65 can weaken them. Sorry for your troubles, good job by the troopers.
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