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Old 05-04-2017, 01:22 PM   #101
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They say they found no evidence of misapplication or misuse. Putting those tires on a trailer is by definition misapplication or misuse. I'm not exactly sure what that letter means. Did they know they were put on a trailer? If so, the person who wrote the letter chose to ignore corporate policy. I would not hang my hat on that.
The claim form I filled out and submitted to Michelin stated clearly that the tire was used on an Airstream trailer. The invoice which I had paid to JC was included as well. If you carefully read their warranty description on-line, it does NOT say that their tires cannot be used on a trailer. In fact, what they told me was that the manufacturer (namely Airstream) had originally specified ST tires. I told them that now AS was putting Michelins on selected models of new trailers and that it was JC who supplied and put them on my AS as part of upgrading my running gear (new axles, new brakes, new 16" wheels, new tires - Michelin tires).
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Old 05-04-2017, 02:00 PM   #102
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Their getting some good vibes as this gets around. Like Action points out a bit of goodwill included.
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Old 05-04-2017, 02:13 PM   #103
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Hopefully this is the only incident. If more people report the same separation, then Michelin owners (myself included ) have a problem. Until then, I'm not worrying about it. Glad Michelin stands by their product.
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Old 05-04-2017, 04:39 PM   #104
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Have run many michelins and never any problems, had 2 steer axle tires start to go bad on my KW and they just charged me for the used tread which was fifty percent....I sure like mine...
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Old 05-04-2017, 05:40 PM   #105
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Michelin makes exc. heavy duty truck tires as we always ran virgin rubber on Mack trucks and Peterbuilt semi tractors only on tractors, retreads on trailers. Smaller trailers virgin any manf. I have Michelins on my auto and I think they are junk, no mileage wore out and we do not abuse when driving plus they have a severe noise that sounds like drive shaft out of balance or bearings bad, so Michelins for big Trucks very good, smaller tires not for me. Retreaded Michelins when tread out of use then used on dump and box trailers with never a failure. Will never put michelins on my AS.
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Old 05-10-2017, 08:36 PM   #106
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Michelin makes exc. heavy duty truck tires as we always ran virgin rubber on Mack trucks and Peterbuilt semi tractors only on tractors, retreads on trailers. Smaller trailers virgin any manf. I have Michelins on my auto and I think they are junk, no mileage wore out and we do not abuse when driving plus they have a severe noise that sounds like drive shaft out of balance or bearings bad, so Michelins for big Trucks very good, smaller tires not for me. Retreaded Michelins when tread out of use then used on dump and box trailers with never a failure. Will never put michelins on my AS.


Sounds like a alignment problem,not a tire issue.Check your toe in specs.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:33 AM   #107
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Nice outcome.

As for what some mentioned on the use of the tire on a trailer, that is true; however, would it be any different if you owned an Eddie Bauer model that came with the tire/wheel package or had the wheel/tire upgrade done at JC with the Michelins added?
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Tread Separation on Michelin LTX225/75R16(E) M+S2

Wha?!

Why would using that tire be "abuse" or "misuse"?

As long as watching rated load and such - how could that qualify as "misuse?"
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Wha?!

Why would using that tire be "abuse" or "misuse"?

As long as watching rated load and such - how could that qualify as "misuse?"


If the manufacturer states that the tire is for passenger vehicles only, and the owner uses in a trailer. Technically they can say it is not being used in an approved application.
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They indicate that it is a truck tire, defining the usage but...
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Does defining usage as a "truck tire" mean that on a trailer it is "misuse"?

Seems a marketing thing vs a clear intentions thing?

If Michelin wants good will among TT owners - then that is tacit admission that they believe or hope more buy these tires for this usage...I may reach out in email and get something in writing
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I just got off the phone with Michelin customer service...learned a couple things:

They do not define "misuse" in the way we are talking about. I was told that airstream likely on their stickers or what not state what is an "appropriate tire(s)". It was also pointed out that in many MoHo's, "LT tires" are indeed used, as well as in bigger stuff "commercial truck" tires.....which if tested and rated and approved by the manufacturer, it is not "misuse".

In the event of "tire tread separation" I was told, it would be "misuse" only if they contacted the manufacturer and were told that those tires are not approved for use in those trailers.

I have not yet confirmed where AS stands on this, but they would have the say...when I opted for 16 inch michellins, it was freely done without any hesitation, so I guess I hope that if I experienced a defect (the customer service rep admitted this is possible of course), that it would not be in the setting of AS saying "well, we do not approve of those tires we put on there for you".

Ill go home and check the door sticker and such too and see if it states the tire info.
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:48 PM   #113
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I just got off the phone with Michelin customer service...learned a couple things:

They do not define "misuse" in the way we are talking about. I was told that airstream likely on their stickers or what not state what is an "appropriate tire(s)". It was also pointed out that in many MoHo's, "LT tires" are indeed used, as well as in bigger stuff "commercial truck" tires.....which if tested and rated and approved by the manufacturer, it is not "misuse".

In the event of "tire tread separation" I was told, it would be "misuse" only if they contacted the manufacturer and were told that those tires are not approved for use in those trailers.

I have not yet confirmed where AS stands on this, but they would have the say...when I opted for 16 inch michellins, it was freely done without any hesitation, so I guess I hope that if I experienced a defect (the customer service rep admitted this is possible of course), that it would not be in the setting of AS saying "well, we do not approve of those tires we put on there for you".

Ill go home and check the door sticker and such too and see if it states the tire info.

Do you have scale weight numbers for each axle?

Do you run TPMS to ensure proper inflation all the time?

Those facts would/should go a long way to refute "misuse"
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Old 05-11-2017, 05:26 PM   #114
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I am curious if you have a tread separation of any kind of tire on a tow vehicle, for example, is the manufacturer responsible for:

1- Replacing the tire and charging the difference in wear from new to what may be determined from what is left of the tire?

2- Replacing the tire, as above, and also be responsible for driving while the tire was having a failure of tread separation, causing damage to your fender well?

3- Replacing the tire, as above, responsible for any damage to your vehicle and if you wreck your vehicle in the process, that as well? Other than your own comprehensive insurance?

These are just theoretical. When a tire begins to come apart on your vehicle, you will notice immediately. When a tire begins to come apart on your trailer, as I have discovered, you have no idea with the standard equipment provided by Airstream.

Tires can fail. Good tires less often than poorly made tires. Why would the manufacturer be responsible for the tire and any damages? Somewhere the owner has some responsibility to recognize a problem, even if it is not noticed while towing the trailer.

I see plenty of 'road gators' on the Interstate. Obviously a common occurrence and many appear to be those of large trucks. If you drive over a 'road gator', can you blame the tire company, the truck company or yourself for hitting the obstacle?

It is not that simple when you begin to think of all the effort to prove that the tire failed, and your driving over a historical landmark made of large boulders created the original damage.

My first tire separation was a Goodyear Marathon 14" tire on my 23 foot Safari. I did not notice there was 'no tire' left on the wheel until I stopped to refuel. I was lucky, no damage to my trailer... and I have no clue to the cause as it was a dirt road.

Goodwill from a manufacturer is becoming a rare occurrence. Goodwill from the retailer who sold you the tire(s) is a rare occurrence. When you find a company or supplier that gives you, the consumer, the benefit of doubt... lets hear more of this on this Forum!
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Sounds like a alignment problem,not a tire issue.Check your toe in specs.
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or toe in. I was certified mech. and my youngest son certified all welding except under water, big trucks, fire trucks that is special rating, has own garage mech. bus. so I think we no if out of alignment or not. We are not shade tree mechanics or diagnose unseen. Also extensive racing exp. and building same. The michelins that I stated I did not like, driven mostly by 75 yr. old lady. Also Ford checked the things I stated as this was on new auto.
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Haha - Im confused where did the little old lady come in?!

Do they go around messing up Michelin tires? I'd better know,mine is that age!
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Old 05-11-2017, 07:40 PM   #117
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All the crying about goodyear tires and carlisle and other brands about tread seperation and people going to michelin, now threads about separation of tread with michelin tires. IMO use what you are comfortable with and ignore all so called tire experts. Most seperations are caused by under inflation and hot pavement.
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Old 05-11-2017, 07:46 PM   #118
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Haha - Im confused where did the little old lady come in?!

Do they go around messing up Michelin tires? I'd better know,mine is that age!
Basics it's her car. She doesn't mess up tires but interior another story. She's from Mo. and like mules stubborn, nice thing she doesn't read my posts.
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Basics it's her car. She doesn't mess up tires but interior another story. She's from Mo. and like mules stubborn, nice thing she doesn't read my posts.
Until now...forwarding to her I-Phone What are friends for?
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Old 05-18-2017, 05:09 PM   #120
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Two weeks ago while about 60 miles from Chicago on I-44. Tire did not lose pressure.
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Repair was done at JC a week later and the claim process has been started -
with Michelin. Damage to the AS is about $1,200; repair was done at JC.

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Yop that is classic Belt Separation. Curious...
When did you last do a "Free Spin" inspection as outlined in my blog. I have three poss specifically labeled 'Inspection" if you need a refresher.

IMO it is highly unlikely for a tire to not exhibit external signs of separation for hundreds or even thousands of miles before the internal separation results in the tire coming apart so there is a good chance for people to avoid this failure turning into an expensive event.
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