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Old 04-15-2017, 07:37 AM   #41
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You would expect the pressure to drop. But, if there was also an increase in temperature, that could raise the pressure back up. If your TPMS measures pressure and temperature then you would still expect to see a warning based on one of those I would think.

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Thanks for the post and excellent info.

When one of my GYM did the same thing, it had about 3-4" larger diameter. I'm no scientist, but I figured when the belt flew off and the tire stretched out like a balloon- it would have impacted the PSI, right? That is, the tire pressure would have dropped. My TPMS didn't register a change, either.
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Old 04-15-2017, 07:45 AM   #42
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Do you have a link?
The only tires that Michelin makes that are rated for trailer use begin with an X and they do not make any smaller than a 17"

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MICHELIN® Passenger and Light Truck Replacement
Tire LIMITED WARRANTY:
Your MICHELIN replacement tires are covered by a limited warranty that
covers certain defects in workmanship and materials, and premature
treadware. You should review the terms of the warranty carefully.
1
Guarantee applies to up to 6 tires per customer. Guarantee applies
only to tires that were purchased and mounted and does not apply
to exchanged tires that were provided under this guarantee. The
guarantee does not include the cost of valve stems. Tires that are
damaged due to misuse or misapplication, road hazards, mechanical
problems related to the vehicle, use in any racing-related activities, or
competitive events, or tires that are removed from the original vehicle
on which they were installed, are excluded from guarantee.
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This service does not cover the repair or replacement of your tire.
Service applies only to motorized passenger and light truck vehicles
and specifically excludes trailers, recreational vehicles, commercial
vehicles and any veh
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Old 04-15-2017, 07:49 AM   #43
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Our 2014 31' Classic Michelin LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 tire loads are:

Classic Scale numbers May 2014

……1200……——1200

2034……2042—4076

1921…….2062—3983

Total weight——9259


We target 2,500 pound payload so that is 72.5 psi per the load table. So we set pressure at 73 to 75 psi. That is still slightly more that a 15% safety margin. We tow at a max speed of 65 mph. The trailer tires get covered when exposed to sunlight.
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Thanks for all of the info, Switz!
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Old 04-15-2017, 10:15 AM   #45
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Has anyone out there had any experience with Cooper tires of the same size and ratings on an Airstream? I have used Cooper tores in the past with great results. It seems everyone changing tires and tire size are going to the LT Michelins. Not sure why...????
Because they work and are extremely reliable :-).
In three years of running LTX 15" Michelin tires on our 30' AS I only need to adjust the air pressure when we migrate to FL in the fall and back up north in the Spring. Its almost boring.
Unlike the GYM tires where I had to add air every other day for sure. Not having GYM ST tires is one less headache to deal with every day. Not to mention the anxiety of having to maintain your speed under 65 MPH.
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Airstream offers Michelins as an option on new trailers. I wonder if they've had a discussion with Michelin about the suitability of their tires on travel trailers.
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Old 04-15-2017, 04:39 PM   #47
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Airstream offers Michelins as an option on new trailers. I wonder if they've had a discussion with Michelin about the suitability of their tires on travel trailers.
That is what I would have anticipated ....... but maybe not, someone said they just get them from a local tire shop.

A bit surprising if they did not do a little more checking.

So far, I'm still very happy with mine anyway!
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Old 04-15-2017, 04:52 PM   #48
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I've been more than happy with our Michelin LTX, but I gotta tell you, they look pretty rough after 25,000 miles. Besides two obvious flat spots, the tread is mangled. It's like chunks are taken out. Had a mechanic tell me that can happen when the shocks are bad.
Answers the "why does Airstream install shocks on axle" question...
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It was my understanding that Michelins were found to be good bias ply replacement tires. That would have been before STs were available. A Canadian company is blamed by some for the application, but that may be one of those unfounded legends that gets told around the campfire to keep Bigfoot entertained. Pat
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The only tires that Michelin makes that are rated for trailer use begin with an X and they do not make any smaller than a 17"

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MICHELIN® Passenger and Light Truck Replacement
Tire LIMITED WARRANTY:
Your MICHELIN replacement tires are covered by a limited warranty that
covers certain defects in workmanship and materials, and premature
treadware. You should review the terms of the warranty carefully.
1
Guarantee applies to up to 6 tires per customer. Guarantee applies
only to tires that were purchased and mounted and does not apply
to exchanged tires that were provided under this guarantee. The
guarantee does not include the cost of valve stems. Tires that are
damaged due to misuse or misapplication, road hazards, mechanical
problems related to the vehicle, use in any racing-related activities, or
competitive events, or tires that are removed from the original vehicle
on which they were installed, are excluded from guarantee.
2
This service does not cover the repair or replacement of your tire.
Service applies only to motorized passenger and light truck vehicles
and specifically excludes trailers, recreational vehicles, commercial
vehicles and any veh
They are not implying tires used on trailers, rv, and commercial vehicles are a misapplication, just that heavy duty use is not warrantied.
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I've been more than happy with our Michelin LTX, but I gotta tell you, they look pretty rough after 25,000 miles. Besides two obvious flat spots, the tread is mangled. It's like chunks are taken out. Had a mechanic tell me that can happen when the shocks are bad.
Answers the "why does Airstream install shocks on axle" question...
I've had non paved roads take chips off tread of older tires.
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Because they work and are extremely reliable :-).
In three years of running LTX 15" Michelin tires on our 30' AS I only need to adjust the air pressure when we migrate to FL in the fall and back up north in the Spring. Its almost boring.
Unlike the GYM tires where I had to add air every other day for sure. Not having GYM ST tires is one less headache to deal with every day. Not to mention the anxiety of having to maintain your speed under 65 MPH.
LTX is a passenger car tire? Check the load ratings, that is why I went to 16" Lt ,light truck tires...
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I've been more than happy with our Michelin LTX, but I gotta tell you, they look pretty rough after 25,000 miles. Besides two obvious flat spots, the tread is mangled. It's like chunks are taken out. Had a mechanic tell me that can happen when the shocks are bad.
Answers the "why does Airstream install shocks on axle" question...
Curious whether you replaced the shocks here?

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f460...ks-115624.html

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I forgot to post the load table for the 16" Michelin Michelin LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 Load E tires I installed like the factory installs.

80psi 2,680 (E)
75psi 2,560
70psi 2,440
65psi 2,335 (D)
60psi 2,190
55psi 2,060
50psi 1,940 (C)
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They are not implying tires used on trailers, rv, and commercial vehicles are a misapplication, just that heavy duty use is not warrantied.
It's not so obvious from the formatting here, but we're looking at footnotes, and neither applies to the warranty. Footnote 2 that "...specifically excludes trailers, recreational vehicles..." refers back to the 3 year flat tire changing assistance.
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Tires, blah blah, GYM, Michelin, blah blah, we're all gonna die, blah blah. We moved from 15" wheels and GYM's to 16" wheels and Michelins. We run 68 PSI. Discount Tire sold us the wheels, tires, and a warranty on the tires. We sold the 15" wheels to a fellow streamer who's re-building an Airstream. He's happy. We're happy. Life is good.
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Rocinante, this is a TIRE thread, we're talking 15 and 16 inch wheels and even more so GYM vs MICHELIN, the thread is only on post 56, you can't blah blah blah it until it goes past 200....
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LTX is a passenger car tire? Check the load ratings, that is why I went to 16" Lt ,light truck tires...
LTX/MS2/P235 R15/108 T is a light truck tire as in Pick Up.
I have the same tires in 20" on my truck.
And yes at 50 PSI it has a D rating and is a perfect replacement for the GYM with the 15" wheels. I did my research before making the change and could not justify the additional cost to go to 16" wheels and tires.
I have been tooling in around with these tires for 3 years, on interstates usually moving at 70 to 72 mph depending on conditions and they have performed flawlessly in every aspect.
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These are not LTs, as designated by the "p". They are passenger tires.
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Thread separation issues with Michelin tires is rare. This is the first I read on this forum in 4 years. Of all the Michelin tires I have ran over the years I never experienced one.
Unlike the GYM ST tires whose failure rate is common.
We need to be careful about statements like this. I will agree that the number of GYM failures is much greater that Michelins people have put on their trailers. If indeed the "failure rate is common" I would like to hear the background for this comment. I would guess that there are many many more GYMs on trailers out there than there are Michelins. It is very similar to those who trash Ford pickups because you can read about a lot of problems with these trucks. The big issue is that with a very large number of them on the road you will naturally hear about more issues. Doesn't mean they are bad trucks, just that there are a lot of them.

Another factor is how people take care of their tires. You can hear many who have had no problems with their GYMs and I would hazard to guess that is because they are the type who pay close attention to things.

If you like your Michelins, or Maxxis, or Towmasters, I hope you enjoy them. Just please don't tell me that mine are junk, and that I am putting my family at risk by using them. So far this thread hasn't gone there and I do appreciate that.
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