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Old 04-14-2017, 06:00 AM   #21
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Airstream does not buy these tires from Michelin, they buy them from a local tire dealer. I was in contact directly with Michelin two Airstreams back concerning my intended use of Michelins on one of our previous Airstreams. My email reply, from the VP of Marketing was short and sweet. "The Michelin Corporation does not manufacture a tire suitable for use on travel trailers and therefore your use of any Michelin tire on a travel trailer will void any and all warranties from The Michelin Corporation either written or implied".

I put Michelins on, I had Michelins on our next Airsteam and I use them on our 2017 Classic. If there is an issue I am counting on taking care of it ourselves.
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Old 04-14-2017, 07:16 AM   #22
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Airstream does not buy these tires from Michelin, they buy them from a local tire dealer. I was in contact directly with Michelin two Airstreams back concerning my intended use of Michelins on one of our previous Airstreams. My email reply, from the VP of Marketing was short and sweet. "The Michelin Corporation does not manufacture a tire suitable for use on travel trailers and therefore your use of any Michelin tire on a travel trailer will void any and all warranties from The Michelin Corporation either written or implied".

I put Michelins on, I had Michelins on our next Airsteam and I use them on our 2017 Classic. If there is an issue I am counting on taking care of it ourselves.
Bud, thanks for being so descriptiveto help us understand the other club we joined when we bought the 17 Classic
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Old 04-14-2017, 07:53 AM   #23
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My experience says that tires should not be loaded to more than 85% of their rated load for the pressure used. The rated load for an LT225/75R16 LR E is 2680# @ 80 psi - 85% = 2278#. The weight report shows that the LR position is 2350# (107%), but the rest are nearly to that value. I wonder if there are situations where the trailer is loaded more heavily and that's why there was a failure. I also wonder how well the pressure was maintained.
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Old 04-14-2017, 08:02 AM   #24
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wasn't there a recall on mich tires a few years ago. perhaps these tires fell into that recall and were not replaced.
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Old 04-14-2017, 08:53 AM   #25
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wasn't there a recall on mich tires a few years ago. perhaps these tires fell into that recall and were not replaced.
Yes, there was such a recall. I remember buying my tires and then hearing about it - checked dates and mine were not included. I forget the dates though. Probably have it all in my files!
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Old 04-14-2017, 10:37 AM   #26
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Be sure to file a complaint with NHTSA. This failure needs to be in their database.
What is one to report?
"A Michelin tire failed when I used it in a manner it was not designed for and Michelin recommended against."?
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Subject tire is not a part of the recall I can find. Last date of manufacture for the recall was in 2012, this tire was 2013.

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I haven't seen any questions regarding what "speed" the OP was traveling when the tire failed? Did I miss something?
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:04 PM   #29
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Is 80 psi necessary?
I am running 70 psi with Sendel T03 wheels, Firestone Transforce HT LT 225/75R16 tires, Centramatics, and Dill TPMS.
I am thinking the tires will hold 2,500# of weight at 70 psi.
My trailer weighs 8,800# on the trailer axles.
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:32 PM   #30
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Is 80# Necessary?

I believe Capriracer, the tire engineer, answered this question above. He suggested to have a 15% safety factor or 2278# at 80 PSI. Here is the load table for Michelin tires so everyone can determine the load at different "minimum" pressures. http://www.rvtirepressure.com/assets..._inflation.pdf

Unless one has weighed each tire's load individually, the tires may not be carrying the average load, as was the case for the OP with the tread separation. I have yet to decide on a tire pressure for my 25FB, but am leaning toward max PSI.

P.S. I believe tire loads for a given tire size and classification ( LT, P, ST) are independent of manufacturer and can be used for any manufacturer. The above table is from Michelin for RV usage.
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Old 04-14-2017, 12:46 PM   #31
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Airstream does not buy these tires from Michelin, they buy them from a local tire dealer. I was in contact directly with Michelin two Airstreams back concerning my intended use of Michelins on one of our previous Airstreams. My email reply, from the VP of Marketing was short and sweet. "The Michelin Corporation does not manufacture a tire suitable for use on travel trailers and therefore your use of any Michelin tire on a travel trailer will void any and all warranties from The Michelin Corporation either written or implied".

I put Michelins on, I had Michelins on our next Airsteam and I use them on our 2017 Classic. If there is an issue I am counting on taking care of it ourselves.
Thank you for this post. This tells me everything I wish to know regarding Michelins. I wonder if the company is making this statement widely known when they sell their tires to trailer owners.
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Old 04-14-2017, 01:01 PM   #32
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DOT B3JH 009X 0213
Tread depth 12/32
Estimated mileage 30,000 mi.

Tires were purchased 7-22-2014 at JC along with complete new axles (rated at 4,500 lbs ea), new T03 rims - all installed and aligned at JC. Centramatics were also installed.

Tires were inflated to 80 psi, and inflation was checked on all tires that morning before driving. There is a Dill TPMS system installed on both the TV & AS.

In 2015 I had the Escapees SmartWeigh done and *ALL* weights are within limits. I had posted the results of the SmartWeigh about 2 years ago, but I'll post it again once I locate the file.

ST tires are out of the question - I have had 2 tread separations plus a blowout on ST tires, which is why I am using Michelin tires.

More info when I have it.

Thread separation issues with Michelin tires is rare. This is the first I read on this forum in 4 years. Of all the Michelin tires I have ran over the years I never experienced one.
Unlike the GYM ST tires whose failure rate is common.
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Old 04-14-2017, 01:24 PM   #33
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Is 80 psi necessary?
I am running 70 psi with Sendel T03 wheels, Firestone Transforce HT LT 225/75R16 tires, Centramatics, and Dill TPMS.
I am thinking the tires will hold 2,500# of weight at 70 psi.
My trailer weighs 8,800# on the trailer axles.
I also run 72-75 on my michelins, 13...31' classic 62-68 mph..never a problem with Michelin or gym's...now at sunny calif....
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:10 PM   #34
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Thank you for this post. This tells me everything I wish to know regarding Michelins. I wonder if the company is making this statement widely known when they sell their tires to trailer owners.
No. I called the factory some years ago and I asked if they were in an agreement with Michelin. At that time I was told no, they are purchased from a local dealer.
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Has anyone out there had any experience with Cooper tires of the same size and ratings on an Airstream? I have used Cooper tores in the past with great results. It seems everyone changing tires and tire size are going to the LT Michelins. Not sure why...????
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Has anyone out there had any experience with Cooper tires of the same size and ratings on an Airstream? I have used Cooper tores in the past with great results. It seems everyone changing tires and tire size are going to the LT Michelins. Not sure why...????
There are many many tire threads, with the following being one of the most recent and informative on the switch to 16" Michelins IMO:

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f438...es-148274.html

Here are the search results for 16" Michelins:

https://www.google.com/search?q=16%3...:airforums.com

As you can see the topic has been discussed in quite a few threads.

And Cooper tires have been discussed here:

https://www.google.com/search?q=16%3...:airforums.com
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Answer to 2 questions

1. Michelin determined that the tire was not subject to a recall. This was the first thing they did when their dealer called in with the DOT number.

2. I tow at 62 mph (100 km/hr).

I have received the Michelin claim form and am in the process of filling it out. Once I have a final decision from Michelin I'll post the details. Thanks for all the feedback - How Michelin handles this claim would be of interest to us all.
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Discount Tire and probably American Tire (I believe their affiliate in some parts of the US) will sell you a road hazard warranty that covers everything that can happen to a tire. That specifically includes trailer use. When I got my Michelins at the factory that batch of pre-mounted tires had leaky valve stems. Discount Tire replaced all the valve stems under their warranty even though they were being used on my Airstream trailer. I was impressed with their liberal policy.
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Michelin specifically states NOT to use those tires on a trailer.
Do you have a link?
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Some of the info:

DOT B3JH 009X 0213
Tread depth 12/32
Estimated mileage 30,000 mi.

Tires were purchased 7-22-2014 at JC along with complete new axles (rated at 4,500 lbs ea), new T03 rims - all installed and aligned at JC. Centramatics were also installed.

Tires were inflated to 80 psi, and inflation was checked on all tires that morning before driving. There is a Dill TPMS system installed on both the TV & AS.

In 2015 I had the Escapees SmartWeigh done and *ALL* weights are within limits. I had posted the results of the SmartWeigh about 2 years ago, but I'll post it again once I locate the file.

ST tires are out of the question - I have had 2 tread separations plus a blowout on ST tires, which is why I am using Michelin tires.

More info when I have it.
Thanks for the post and excellent info.

When one of my GYM did the same thing, it had about 3-4" larger diameter. I'm no scientist, but I figured when the belt flew off and the tire stretched out like a balloon- it would have impacted the PSI, right? That is, the tire pressure would have dropped. My TPMS didn't register a change, either.
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