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Old 04-07-2006, 11:02 PM   #141
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So the tires that the belts shifted, were not covered under warranty?

How old were these tires?

What was the load rating of the tires that failed?

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Old 04-07-2006, 11:22 PM   #142
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Check out these Epinions reviews of Marathons:
http://www.epinions.com/Goodyear_Mar...splay_~reviews

Armed with this knowledge, does a professional who recommends them become criminally liable in the event of an accident?
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Old 04-07-2006, 11:57 PM   #143
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Check out these Epinions reviews of Marathons:
http://www.epinions.com/Goodyear_Mar...splay_~reviews

Armed with this knowledge, does a professional who recommends them become criminally liable in the event of an accident?
Gimme a break. Note in particular that some of these complainers are talking about passenger (P) tires. Goodyear Marathon tires are special trailer (ST) tires. Am I supposed to learm something from someone who doesn't know the difference between the two? Sorry, Bob but you are really stretching here. Of course people can have problems with any type of tire, as was mentioned very early in this thread. People who don't have problems with stuff they've bought generally don't post to biased sites like epinions.
If you're going to post information which supports your opinion, please be factually correct. I don't like gossip, especially when the gossipers have their facts incorrect.
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Old 04-08-2006, 12:16 AM   #144
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That's incredibly funny! A spelling and puntuation critic throwing out the information due to technique and dismisses the whole story! Do as you like! It's not my job to try to make traveling safer.
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Hi, I personally, when time to replace tires on any of my vehicles preferr either Goodyears or Michelins. I just read the Marathon reviews and with three out of twelve positive reviews; That confirms my choice to stick with Goodyear Marathons on my 2005 Airstream Safari 25-B. Reason being, mostly, only those who had bad experiences will complain or leave a bad review. And the silent majority [those who are happy with their Marathon tires or any other products] are reluctant to say anything.

I have been employed at new car dealerships since 1968; As a mechanic, service advisor, and shop foreman. [ Ford, Lincoln, Mercury, Chevrolet, GMC, and Oldsmobile ]And have read many, many customer survey cards and can tell you a great majority of returned cards were from unhappy customers. Very few from happy customers. But I will not discount the fact that many of the unhappy customers had legitimate concerns. Only the percentages are very small considering the amount of product owned and used by the consumer.

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Old 04-08-2006, 12:39 AM   #146
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That's incredibly funny! A spelling and puntuation critic throwing out the information due to technique and dismisses the whole story! Do as you like! It's not my job to try to make traveling safer.
spelling and puntuation critic? Where did that come from? Bob, I have no beef with you, I was one of the first to welcome you when you joined these forums. What I do have a problem with is posting advice which could be dangerous. I'm glad that you've has success thus far with your experiment but please don't expect me to keep my trap shut when I see very questionable advice being represented as fact. I am surprised that you would not expect some skepticism if you post information that is contrary to the opinion of Airstream engineers.
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Old 04-08-2006, 10:14 AM   #147
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Check out these Epinions reviews of Marathons:
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Armed with this knowledge, does a professional who recommends them become criminally liable in the event of an accident?

It's interesting that the first one (dated 3/30/05) was driving on tires not designed to handle the load. Not really the tire manufacturers issue. The trailer builder or dealer installed that rated tire and the customer had the problem.

Same fro me on my boat. Not Goodyears. I forget the actual numbers. However after my 1st blowout. I discovered the tires were rated for the exact amount of the load + or - 100 #'s. No saftey margin. And when I put fuel & gear into the boat the tire just didn't handle it. Not the tire manufacturers issue. They didn't design it for that service.

So are your trailer tires up to the load + 10%? Are they ST and you keep the speed to 65 or less? Do you keep the pressure to the max, cause that's how to keep the load rating. Wouldn't hurt to rotate them from time to time either. And keep the sun off of them when you are not moving.

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Old 04-08-2006, 11:36 AM   #148
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I heard of many Marathon failures too. Many are difficult to evaluate due to missing data, and the RV manufacturer's tendencies to supply underrated product to the public.
I am on my second set now, without failures whatsoever. I ran load range D tires, on sub 6000lb tandem axle trailers.
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Rereading this entire thread, still shows that some will always want to be different.

Try this one on then.

Automotive and light truck tires, DO NOT have nearly enough side wall strength, to put on a tandem trailer.

Just make a tight turn with the trailer, and then stop. The twist in the tires are enormous. You cannt duplicate that twist with a motor vehicle.

The Goodyear Marathon was designed to take that twist, along with a different composition of rubber, that rejects more UV from the sun. Accordingly, they will last a lot longer, from sun exposure, than a standard tire.

Auto and light trucks tires cannot take that twist, without resulting side wall failure, not necessarily at the moment, but certainly, down the road. They also do not have the UV rejection characteristics that the Marathons do.

That stress is also put on the wheels. Regular wheels will not take that kind of punishment. Therefore 2600 pound rating wheels are a "MUST".

Again, what you see, is not always what you get.

There is far more to a tire than just it's ply, speed ratings, and mileage expectancy.

Using tires that have uncertain design characteristics, is not very wise. Only the user and sometimes an innocent person, suffers from those consequences.

Be safe, or I will report you to my Grandmother.

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Old 04-08-2006, 02:45 PM   #150
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the last post by inland andy is exactly correct . The forces put on the sidewalls is extemely brutal .When turning the tires more or less want skid if they could , they cant and deflection on the sidewalls takes the load . After reading so many rv site posts including here on the forums , I can conclude the most common problem is tire overheating . Either from high speeds 70 or 80 mph on the highway (yes people do do this as we have all seen) and the tires are overloaded for the rating of the tire no matter whos brand of tire it is . Look at these massive sob fifth wheels, huge ,heavy, tires can only take what they are designed to handle. Seems like you just have to try to balance everything out as best as you can, weights, tire choices loading etc. We are all shooting for the best and safest way to tow our airstreams
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Old 04-08-2006, 03:42 PM   #151
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Most of the manufactures of large high end fifth wheels, horse trailers and utility trailers equip their trailers with LT tires, some of these trailers such as Teton, Featherlite, Holiday Rambler etc. have a quality reputation al least as good as Airstream and the trailers may have GVWR twice as high as heaviest Airstream. Goodyear recommends Their LT tires for light trucks, SUVs and TRAILERS. The reason ST tires are marked on sidewall "for trailer use only" is that they do not meet Federal Standards for passenger carrying vehicle tires.
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Old 04-08-2006, 07:34 PM   #152
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U-Haul probaly runs more light duty trailer tires than anyone else in the world and they equip their trailers with Goodyear HRM 2020 ST tires. The HRM 2020 may be made for U-Haul only as I have not seen it listed on any tire site. U-Haul may have wanted better tire than Marathon, they may have wanted cheaper tire than Marathon or they may have just wanted to be different but for some reason they do not run Marathons. The difference in U-Haul selecting a tire and trailer manufacturer selecting a tire is that if tire blows out 200 miles from nowhere U-Haul is respsonsible for getting it fixed so I would think that they take trailer tire selection seriously.
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I wonder if the high rate of complaints about Good Year Marathons is due to the fact that they're at the same time the best selling trailer tire in the world?
So, even though tere's alot of complaints, i know a bunch of people that had blowouts with Kellys, Carlisles, and Yokohama( i think it was Yokohama).
Anyways, they do not sell near as many tires as Good Year.
On top, many of the defective tires were misused by RV mfg....a lot of political bs here as well.
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Rereading this entire thread, still shows that some will always want to be different.

Try this one on then.

Automotive and light truck tires, DO NOT have nearly enough side wall strength, to put on a tandem trailer.

Just make a tight turn with the trailer, and then stop. The twist in the tires are enormous. You cannt duplicate that twist with a motor vehicle.

The Goodyear Marathon was designed to take that twist, along with a different composition of rubber, that rejects more UV from the sun. Accordingly, they will last a lot longer, from sun exposure, than a standard tire.
Be safe, or I will report you to my Grandmother.

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Here is data taken from a Goodyear site relating to tires for RV's

http://www.goodyear.com/rv/tirecare/...iontables.html - click on buttom that says load inflation tables.

They recommend LT tires for some applications. Seems a bit confusing.



BTW U-uhaul is so specific, it is doubtful that a consumer could get any parts for a U-Haul vehicle. U-Haul specifies what they want and then it gets built in mass quanity. When I worked At Ford Motor Co, I got involved with a service engineer on a U-Haul vehicle. The vehicle had engine-transmission combination that the general public could not get. A lot of items were wierd for the U-Haul van that it was difficult for me to understand. The tires are most likely the same way. They order in bulk. Specify the specifications and the manufactures make it to that spec. It is slapped on the vehicle and part of the U-Haul package spec.
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