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Old 07-23-2012, 05:29 PM   #15
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I took our new 2012 wheels/tires to Costco and had them put new Michelin LTX M/S2 235/75R15 on filled with nitrogen per forum recommendations, my preference as well. I also bought all new solid chrome lugs ($14 for all 24) to replace the cheap/defective ones from the factory.
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Old 07-23-2012, 05:56 PM   #16
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I have never heard of a Michelin tire failure on a trailer...has anyone else? In my 40 years of running Michelin's on a variety of vehicles I have never had a failure. One or two flats from a nail but no failures.
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:10 PM   #17
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Goodyear = Bad

Why Risk It ?

Goodyear made and sold a bunch of tires that blew out and caused lots of $$ in Damage.

Did Goodyear reimburse anyone for damages occured ?

Why buy anything from them,ever ?
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Old 07-23-2012, 06:17 PM   #18
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I have never heard of a Michelin tire failure on a trailer...has anyone else? In my 40 years of running Michelin's on a variety of vehicles I have never had a failure. One or two flats from a nail but no failures.
I install tires as a part of my business. I have seen new Michelin tires that do not pass a road force balance test (basically a bad new tire). It is pretty unusual but it happens.
Remember we see many hundreds of tires in the course of a year so even though my slice of the pie is tiny compared to a large tire dealer, or a manufacturer I see way more than someone who only has their personal vehicle tire experience to view.
No tire company is perfect, I still believe Michelin is one of the (if not the) best!
That is what I choose for my road vehicles.

I would be more concerned about the tire design being appropriate for the use.
I have not studied the trailer tire vs LT tire issue but before I switched I would want to understand the differences in the design. I am not certain how I'd go about that.....
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:41 PM   #19
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I just replaced the GYM's after a damage causing blowout. I have this thing against replacing a manufacturer's product that failed with the same thing.
We looked at going to 15" tires (we have a 23' Safari) but it was too much moolah.
We ended up with Kumho radial 857's which are 14" and are rated for higher speeds and loads. I think they are a much higher quality tire but I am no expert. The look great, hopefully they will hold up. I would never trust GYM on a single axle.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:07 PM   #20
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Bruce, I am no tire expert by any means and just go by experience. My understanding in the differences of a ST trailer tire and a LT tire is that the ST tire has a stiffer sidewall for pivoting a tire, as in while you are backing the trailer into a spot. I know that puts a lot of pressure on the bead at the rim. Don't know if that is true or not but that is my understanding.
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:47 PM   #21
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I had good experiences with GYMs - many thousands of trouble free miles. BUT a.) I'm a lousy sample size, and there clearly have been lots of failures, and b.) I often (esp. in western states) want to run faster than 65 mph, and that's all that ST tires are rated for. So I switched to Michelin LT tires. I think it's pretty much standard lore that they have more flexible sidewalls than ST tires, so presumably they display more "squirm" and they no doubt don't have the same resistance to "curbing." So it's a tradeoff. I check inflation every day, check temperature at every stop, and I don't hit curbs with them. I also try hard to avoid very sharp, hard turns when backing into parking spots ... not always possible, however ... so as not to stress them more than I need to. So far so good. After several tens of thousands of miles, they display some tread wear (a few 32nds according to my trusty tread depth gauge), just as they should.

I suspect that for most folks, in most operational regimes, ST tires are the right answer. For higher temperatures and/or higher speeds, maybe not so much. I was happy with my GYMs, but feel more secure with my LTs, so long as I don't try to make them do the impossible. Good luck with your decision!
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:48 PM   #22
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I am not a popular voice on this subject but I will let you know my opinion...
I believe that Goodyear has corrected whatever issues plagued their Chinese manufactured Marathons. I have had conversations with people within the industry who's opinion I trust. Goodyear was aware of the issue and has acted to fix it! Airstreams largest US dealers service manager agrees with me and he sees more of these tires than any of us!
I believe that any tire can fail and in fact our trailer was delivered with a faulty Marathon that I discovered and had replaced.
I do this (auto repair) for a living and believe me it happens.....
I am leaving our Marathons on the trailer!
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In your conversations with people within the industry , did they tell you what was done to correct the tires????
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:07 PM   #23
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I had one tire separation issue on my 2008 20 ft SE, Scary as I had to drive to drive about 200 kms on it as I had left my proper socket at home. Luckily it was raining all the way and kept the tire cool enough. When I took it to the GY dealer he said before he even saw it that it had probably been made in China and that it was pre 2007. I got a replacement GYM and it was American made. The other side was fine. I only usually cruise at about 90 to 95 km for mileage and will keep an eye out, but it does make me nervous.
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Old 07-23-2012, 09:16 PM   #24
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In your conversations with people within the industry , did they tell you what was done to correct the tires????
Only that Goodyear recognized that there was a serious issue with tires in certain production runs of Marathons made in China. Serious enough to move production back to the US until the issue could be isolated and resolved. Then they started the line back up in China. Not a trivial undertaking I am sure.

Nobody I have spoken to has said that they know what the "issue" was, just that it has been corrected. I bet that information is not for public consumption.

When I found an out of round tire on our new Airstream this spring my first call was to Goodyear. A "What's up?" kind of call. They readily admitted that there had been problems with earlier production tires and they also didn't argue about my request to replace the out of round tire. No problem! Bring it in....

My replacement tire and the original good tire are perfectly round and held balance after about 3000 miles. Usually a bad tire shows itself pretty quickly. I am cautiously optimistic my Marathons will be just fine....

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My GYM's were doing great until I had the street side explode driving across New Mexico this past Saturday, made it in to Sante Fe on a spare and a prayer because the curb side tire had also separated. The tire guy at discount tire recommended Carlisle because the more expensive GYM have been coming back with belt separation. They do not recommend the GYM. Now I need to get the street side wheel well repaired. I was lucky that the GYM came apart so fast that it only damaged the trim piece and knocked off my sewer cap. So as the saying goes you are either going to or leaving the scene of a blow out on the GYM.

2008 19' Bambi. The GYM's were in great shape before leaving central Texas on Friday, pressure was checked and plenty of thread.

P.S. I can not say enough about the great service I received from the guys at Discount Tires in Sante Fe for getting me back on the road in record time
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Old 07-24-2012, 12:24 AM   #26
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Why risk $50 GYM's on a 60k+ plus investment. Airstream puts them on just like the rest of the industry because they are cheap cheap! If Airstream was serious about a premium product they would put 16" Michelins on period. I won't even sell my GYM's that I took off basicly new.
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GYM's were on my 22' Int'l had been for 3 years. By fourth year - I had a tread trasher - the thread just ripped off. It was at the time of all the hoop ha - but the truth of the matter is the tire had dry rot from sitting. Looked great on the outside but you don't see the inside on routine walk arounds. The air held in the tires no problem.

I replaced them with GYM's and have since put 10K miles on this set.

Ha my frame broke before these tires even have a bit of wear on them.
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Hi, my trailer came with Goodyear Marathons. [made in Canada] The left side tires each developed a small sidewall bubble after about three years of use. I replaced those with Goodyear Marathons. [made in China] On my trip to Alaska, both right side tires [seven years old] started to separate. [not at the same time. I replaced one of those with another Goodyear Marathon. [made in China] The other tire was replaced with a Carlisle. [that was all I could buy in the town I was at in Alaska] My spare tire is the original Goodyear Marathon, [made in Canada] and it has never been used. At this rate, the Chinese made Marathons might be better than my original Canadian made Marathons.
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