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Old 06-19-2015, 11:48 AM   #29
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I purchased the HI-RUN 10 ply ST225/75 R15 (7 ea) trailer tires. In less than 7 thousand miles 3 each of these tires tread separated from the tire causing exsteive damage to my trailer. I have removed the remaining HI-RUN tire from my trailer and replace with another brand of tire. As far as I am concern I would never use or recommend this brand of tire to anyone.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:43 AM   #30
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If all your vehicles are not sod with Michelin tires you have bought substandard tires. Factory tires a cheaply made. I have had zero luck with all the aftermarket tires which I have placed on my vehicles over the decades. The worst was Firestone. The tire I have 'ZEROS' challenge with is Michelin.Shod your horse, lol, with Michelins and enjoy a safe ride.
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Old 06-20-2015, 01:23 AM   #31
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First purchase the electronic tire inflation kits. It is expensive but it tells you when a given tire is low on air. Running without the correct amount of air pressure all steel belted radials will separate. Factories mount the cheapest tires on their vehicles. They are expensive, but, When I buy a new vehicle I have the Brand-X tires removed and have new Michelins installed. I give my factory or other tires to a needy family member or I ask the church to locate a needy family to whom they may issue tires are usually the cheapest tires they can buy.
I have had only one Michelin tire failure inf 15 years. The cause of that tire failure was caused by a road hazard. I refuse to stop on a highway to change a tire. So, I drove the car to the next neighborhood turned onto that street and changed the tire. By then the rim had shredded the tire. Unless Michelin quality becomes substandard I will use Michelins tires on my ponies until I die.
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Old 06-20-2015, 08:22 AM   #32
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I will stick with a brand like michelins, don't want any more china tires as they are so bad they ship them over here, I don't think they use them.
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Old 06-20-2015, 11:16 AM   #33
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Glad to see everyone agrees (about something, not tires).

Tires are one of those things that have improved considerably over the years in general. But we never had Chinese tires here until the last decade. The Chinese can make stuff as good as anyone can, but some manufacturers don't care and just dump what they can anywhere. But US and other companies have done the same thing.

I have had excellent results with Michelins over hundred and hundreds of thousand of miles with cars, trucks and the trailer. One time a pipe sticking out of the side of the road covered by snow ripped a sidewall, a half a chain link imbedded itself in a truck tire in Alaska and a screw imbedded itself in another Michelin on the way to Alaska—none of these were the fault of the tire. The last two were fixed and no other problems subsequently. We drive a lot of miles and probably have had more issues than a lot of others.

Michelin bought Goodrich some years ago and when we bought our '07 Tundra it came with Goodrich "P" tires. They were lousy tires. Our '13 FJ Cruiser also came with Goodrich tires, though they are "LT's". These are much better tires than the ones that were on the Tundra so it appears Michelin has cleaned up Goodrich's act, but I suspect Goodrich will always be Michelin's cheap brand. When the FJ' tires wear out, Michelin's will go on the SUV.

There are other very good tires on the market. You can check Tire Rack's website for all sorts of information on tires including ratings. Consumer Reports also does tire reviews, although they can be lacking on truck tires. CR often does not rate Michelins at best. They are usually near the top though. Wranglers and Michelin LT tires both get very good ratings on Tire Rack.

I will not buy tire brands I never heard of or tires with poor reputations. Tires to me are one of the most important parts of a vehicle (along with brakes and steering) and I don't like to take chances with them. ST tires may have been an advance over bias ply tires a generation ago, but they haven't kept up. They get installed as original equipment on RV's because they are cheap. Many RV'ers don't travel that much and won't ever have problems with ST's because they'll replace them before they have many miles on them or they're lucky.

We travel a lot, but even if we didn't, I'd stick with Michelins.

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Old 06-20-2015, 11:31 AM   #34
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Everything made by humans or the machines we manufacture will always have 'Unhappy Campers', as the old saying goes. We are all different, so pleases one of us will piss another human off. It is a story as old as time. Michelin is no different. However they voluntarily recall products. Most manufactures consider replacement vs cash outlay for lawsuits. I will use Michelins tires on all my vehicles until they make an inferior tire. I am 64 and I have bought an untold number of tire brands, that is from Firestone to brand X on sale. They have all failed the test of time. Then, I bought a GMC 1500 that was already shod with Michelins. It seemed like they went forever. So I put Michelins on all my Classic cars, on my daily driver and on the wife's car. When I bought my Airstream Land Yacht Motorhome I had that pony shod with six Michelins. They are expensive, but, I feel safe with them on my beast, my pickup my classics and our daily drivers.
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Old 06-20-2015, 12:00 PM   #35
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Maxxis is a good suggestion- no recalls or complaints on ODI site

I'm going to try the Autogrip, a Chinese tire made by FULLRUN Inc, a very progressive company - also with no recalls- yet! And, they are not expensive. Mr Tire distributes them, and they are an LT 10 ply Load range E, so we will see......
I suspect I am not the only one that sees a bit of irony in these choices given the scope of discussion this thread.
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Old 06-21-2015, 01:08 AM   #36
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I suspect I am not the only one that sees a bit of irony in these choices given the scope of discussion this thread.

You're not. But I also do not think aforementioned criteria is the best judge of tire quality.

I had the Michelins. All five were recalled and immediately replaced with the MS2s.

Haven't lost a bit of sleep about it, and never will. I would actually take those recalled tires over most, if not all, of the tires mentioned in this thread.

And still not lose a wink of sleep over it. At all.
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Old 06-21-2015, 02:25 PM   #37
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Couple of observations on Recalls and complaints @ NHTSA.

A good number of the "complaints" turn out to be the result of the tire being overloaded and/or under-inflated. Neither of these conditions is the tire manufacturer's fault. I have even seen an example where there was a railroad spike through the tire but the owner was complaining about the tire.

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With tens of millions of tires sold in the uS every year I have to wonder how you expect there to be zero production errors made. Some of these are "marking" errors where the wrong number or letter was molded into the sidewall. In some cases this means it is illegal to sell the tire even though the tire would probably deliver problem free performance for the life of the tread.
In one recall I was personally involved with ( I discovered the error), there were 149 tires made with the "defect" but because tracing the individual tires would be very difficult and leave the company open to liability if a single tire was missed, it was decided to recall two weeks production or 8,450 tires.

Tires are made in batches so just because a batch made two years ago had a problem does not mean that all other batches also have the same problem.

One thing I never hear discussed from anyone complaining about the perceived poor quality of tires is the quality of the product or service they delivered when working. Have you never made a mistake? If you did then maybe you are just too incompetent to hold a job. Would you think that would be a good way to operate?

I have never heard of anyone intentionally making bad tires. The cost of a recall or trials far exceeds any money that migh be saved from doing sloppy work.
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Old 06-22-2015, 01:32 AM   #38
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Well said Tireman9..


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Isn't this is about tire quality, recalls and complaints?

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Couple of observations on Recalls and complaints @ NHTSA.

A good number of the "complaints" turn out to be the result of the tire being overloaded and/or under-inflated. Neither of these conditions is the tire manufacturer's fault. I have even seen an example where there was a railroad spike through the tire but the owner was complaining about the tire.

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With tens of millions of tires sold in the uS every year I have to wonder how you expect there to be zero production errors made. Some of these are "marking" errors where the wrong number or letter was molded into the sidewall. In some cases this means it is illegal to sell the tire even though the tire would probably deliver problem free performance for the life of the tread.
In one recall I was personally involved with ( I discovered the error), there were 149 tires made with the "defect" but because tracing the individual tires would be very difficult and leave the company open to liability if a single tire was missed, it was decided to recall two weeks production or 8,450 tires.

Tires are made in batches so just because a batch made two years ago had a problem does not mean that all other batches also have the same problem.

One thing I never hear discussed from anyone complaining about the perceived poor quality of tires is the quality of the product or service they delivered when working. Have you never made a mistake? If you did then maybe you are just too incompetent to hold a job. Would you think that would be a good way to operate?

I have never heard of anyone intentionally making bad tires. The cost of a recall or trials far exceeds any money that migh be saved from doing sloppy work.
Wow. Isn't this getting a little personal?

It's not about personal job performance, it's about the fact that every one of the 7 tire brands I researched in the sizes/brand I could use or afford in the budget had some levels of recalls or complaints.

From your forum name and experience it sounds like you are on the front line of tire service, and I appreciate your observations. And I am sure many complaints and failures result from misuse/abuse by the end user.

I took that into consideration when reviewing the complaints.

My decision to try the Hi-Run's was based on the info I collected, and that I couldn't find a tire in my price range that wasn't questionable in some substantial way. My experience has been that what happens in one batch can often happen in others as well, and can also happen again after the initial recall, with corresponding expansion to other batches.

I really appreciate the Spoonplug post about the very bad experience with the Hi-Run ST tires. I hope you will post this on the NHTSA site.

I will update this post as to my experience with the Hi-Runs- and will watch them very closely.

For the record, I have used Michelin since about 1967 and never experienced any failures or recalls.
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I think the frustration about the original question and the recommendations that came from it is that a few complaints about one brand were apparently rated as equal to other tires with lots and lots of complaints. In the end you picked a brand I suspect hardly anyone had heard of and would, if rarely purchased, probably have no complaints. People take the time to post recommendations hoping to help and when they feel all that help was ignored, fairly or unfairly, they get annoyed.

Individual complaints are always anecdotal, but there is a survey thread that has had more than 100 responses. It has some validity, though it is not a formal massive survey scientifically done. Some things stand out from it among them that Marathons are a problem and Michelins do very well. Tireman has shared his expertise with us for several years and I think his paragraph of frustration was understandable, though unnecessary. I think everyone understand mistakes get made by humans and even robots.

I hope your new tires are good for your trailer and have a long and happy life.

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What about Michelin LTX MS2 15" from Walmart for $124.03 each?


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I am not going to do it, since I already have the 16 inch ones. However the first thing I would do is go to Michelin's web site and check the load ratings. If I remember correctly, that might be a problem for a 30 foot trailer. Derate the published ratings by the appropriate percentage for using P or LT tires on a trailer. Sorry, I don't remember the figure offhand.

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