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Old 08-14-2009, 12:01 AM   #15
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So with the maaxis i'm not saying all dealers in the us that carry maaxix tires are out. im saying the factory where they are made are out but probably only in the 225 r15 size, while luckily for some of you they are not seemingly out of other sizes

What i am saying is that in my town the dealers have to order them Another tire dealer is going to call maaxis in the morning to double check the othr dealers story that they are out. If i can get the maaxis, that is what i will do. Going out of town is out of the question for a couple reasons,
1. i work full time and im leaving in 15 days. The ac unit is on the grass with the credenza and the fridge side wall. The fridge is in but not hooked up electrically. i fixed all of the leaks in the precision temp 500 that the last P.O. sadly let get taken by a freeze, on a hope and a prayer that when i try it it will work then ill probably have to order and install a new one with a silly ol' tank and various additional small projects plus packing.

2. i feel lucky i got this thing here without killing myself on these old cracked PASSENGER tires. im nervouse to go the mile to a local shop, im not towing it to another town

So i have availiable locally towmaster and gladiator. The gladiators talk a good game as far as features. i like that they are designed to run cooler and resist wear therefore last longer, but i do wish they came in an 8 ply and if they are E as opposed to D im not going to buy them. Who knows maybe the last dealer didnt follow up and when the new place im using calls in the morning they will have more of the m8008, that so many reccommend, in my size
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Old 08-14-2009, 05:46 AM   #16
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:38 AM   #17
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If Pmetric and LT tires had the same failure rate that the ST has you wouldn't be able to pull over to the sholder when yours failed for the others sitting there that have already failed.
ST tires are 65 MPH tires and those of us with the larger tandem axle trailers (30 and 31 ft) that load the D rated ST tires close to 1/2 their rated capacity have the lions share of the problems.
We don't need tires with more capacity (the E rated ST tires have extra plys but are made of the same sorry rubber compounds as the LRDs and C are) we need better tires. The only overall indication of a tires ability to withstand heat build up is the Speed Rating. With our driving habits today a 65 MPH tire is inadequate. Wuld I put a ST tire on a utility trailer that goes around town or a boat trailer that goes from the yard to the ramp (mayabe 5 miles one way at best and never over 45 mph) of course I would, their inexpensive by comparison, but for a trailer that goes down the interstate at 60 MPH plus on 95 degree days for hours on end you need a tire built with rubber compounds designed to withstand heat.
By comparison of avaliability, you can get either BF Goodrich or Michelin XPS Ribs (16 inch wheel required) just about anywhere, and they carry a Speed Rating of 99 MPH.
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Old 08-14-2009, 01:18 PM   #18
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I fulltime. My personal story is that I save so much by fulltiming that (within reason) I'm willing to pay premium prices for higher quality goods and services. Therefore to me Michelins aren't out of the question as trailer tires... and I'm due for new tires. 15K miles per year on the trailer = need good tires. I can't expect the highest quality for $50 per tire.

If you use your Airstream 3 to 8 times a season and put 1000-2000 miles on your trailer every year, get cheap Chinese tires or Marathons, or whatever. You're never going to wear them out... they'll dry rot first. DO allow an extra hour for travel and DO keep your speed below 65 mph. Just consider your slower drive and extra time as "the cost of doing business".

Tis foolish to put $700 worth of tires on a rig that will never get any substantial mileage, or see an interstate.

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Old 08-14-2009, 01:35 PM   #19
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I'm not sure just how old my Marathons are. Where on the tire do I find the manufactured date? I only tow the trailer 2000 to 3000 miles per year but I bought it 3 summers ago with these tires on it and am concerned.
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Discount sold us an extended warranty on our Maxxis tires. I just hope we don't need it. We have about 5,000 miles on our 225/75x15, load range "E", 10-ply tires, and they are holding up fine. For the few dollars difference in price, I'd rather have the extra margin of safety. And, we have noticed no difference in the ride between the "D" and "E" tires (except the tread hasn't separated yet, like the Marathons).
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Ok, so the new tire dealer im using called maaxis this morning and they are not out of tires (in my size) after all So i think i will get those but it will be cutting it close as they have to be shipped. i am however wondering about these anti 10 ply E rated tires. I hear people say there are problems with them but not seemingly from anyone who has had them. Like someone said its bad for the rivets and someone else said the wheels will collapse or whatever. Well if changing the rating makes the wheels collapse why didnt all of our vintage wheels collapse when people started using the D tires instead of the C 6 plys that were on there originally? And So i called airstream to see if these ideas held water. He said they have always used marathons because that is what they have always used, but that as long as the wheel is rated for the pressure the E tire needs there is no reason it would fail. He said they use the 8 ply because there is no reason why a 10 ply is needed, no problem using 8 why go 10. Makes sense from a manufacturer standp[oint. From a customer standpoint the 10 plys are supposed to last longer and run cooler, so maybe they are better IF the wheel is rated to handle that pressure... As for rivets loosening he said he doubted it.

So if it comes down to a rougher ride, how much rougher is 2 more plyes going to make a trailer with brand new axles, really? beat up the trailer, really? 10 ply tires are used on box trailers all the time and i am a firm believer that airstreams are better built not flimsier than these plastic boxes.

So now that i have the option i still dont know what to get. The gladiators sound nice with the added resistance to bulging and better heat resistance and higher availability, but they are not tried and true as maaxis are according to this forum....

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Concerning tire model and brand availability while traveling. I have to wonder how many blow-outs is everyone expecting in one trip.

Isn't that the reason we carry a spare tire; so we can replace the blow out without worrying about finding a replacement while on the road?

Am I missing something in this post?


PS, I run 16" LT tires
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Ok, so the new tire dealer im using called maaxis this morning and they are not out of tires (in my size) after all So i think i will get those but it will be cutting it close as they have to be shipped. i am however wondering about these anti 10 ply E rated tires. I hear people say there are problems with them but not seemingly from anyone who has had them. Like someone said its bad for the rivets and someone else said the wheels will collapse or whatever. Well if changing the rating makes the wheels collapse why didnt all of our vintage wheels collapse when people started using the D tires instead of the C 6 plys that were on there originally? And So i called airstream to see if these ideas held water. He said they have always used marathons because that is what they have always used, but that as long as the wheel is rated for the pressure the E tire needs there is no reason it would fail. He said they use the 8 ply because there is no reason why a 10 ply is needed, no problem using 8 why go 10. Makes sense from a manufacturer standp[oint. From a customer standpoint the 10 plys are supposed to last longer and run cooler, so maybe they are better IF the wheel is rated to handle that pressure... As for rivets loosening he said he doubted it.

So if it comes down to a rougher ride, how much rougher is 2 more plyes going to make a trailer with brand new axles, really? beat up the trailer, really? 10 ply tires are used on box trailers all the time and i am a firm believer that airstreams are better built not flimsier than these plastic boxes.

So now that i have the option i still dont know what to get. The gladiators sound nice with the added resistance to bulging and better heat resistance and higher availability, but they are not tried and true as maaxis are according to this forum....

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As far as the rougher ride issue, I can tell you that when dealing with rough roads, my drawers that slide open did that when I had the D Marathons also. From my inspection standpoint, I see nothing that would be an indication of using E's rather than the original D's.

Again my only issue is whether the E's are a wise investment for all concerned. The D Maxxis tires other than the ply difference may be very satisfactory. Both D and E rated tires use the nylon belt concept that minimizes belt friction which in turn, reduces heat. That in itself is a large consideration and was a factor in me making the jump to Maxxis.

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Concerning tire model and brand availability while traveling. I have to wonder how many blow-outs is everyone expecting in one trip.

Isn't that the reason we carry a spare tire; so we can replace the blow out without worrying about finding a replacement while on the road?

Am I missing something in this post?


PS, I run 16" LT tires
In the summer of 2007 We had three separate blowouts on the same trip. One in Texas, two weeks later, one in Montana, and one day after that a third in Wyoming. These were the OEM Marathons all with less than 12,000 miles on them.

We were able to limp into Gillette, Wyoming and went to a truck tire dealer there. The manager there suggested that we go with the Maxxis (he also carried Carlisle). He asked what my trailer weighed and I told him 7500#. He told me to go with the load range E's so that three of them could fully handle the load. He said that he had sold many sets of the Maxxis E's to local ranchers who pull stock trailers of about the same gross weight. He said that most of these ranchers never check the tire pressure and drive way too fast, and yet get good service from the Maxxis.

I put a whole set (4) of Maxxis on Lucy and headed on down the road. We did 27,000+ miles without any problems. This past may, we were in Quartzsite, Arizona, whe we noticed some tread separation on two of the Maxxis. There was a Maxxis dealer in Quartzsite who mounted 4 brand bew Maxxix E's.

As far as the rough ride issue with the E's, I have now pulled Lucy nearly 40,000 miles on E rated tires and have yet to see any popped rivets or any other indication that she is receiving a rough ride. Everything inside the trailer seems to ride just as well as it did with the D rated Marathons.

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Concerning tire model and brand availability while traveling. I have to wonder how many blow-outs is everyone expecting in one trip.

Isn't that the reason we carry a spare tire; so we can replace the blow out without worrying about finding a replacement while on the road?

Am I missing something in this post?


PS, I run 16" LT tires

hOPEFULLY NONE ! the less prepared you are the more likely the blow out i would say So as far as availiability its not how many its where you are when your one happens. For me about to leave on a 2 week trip 8 days of which i will be parked, not a huge concern, but when i get back i will soon to be leaving on a 2+ year fulltiming journey and im not going to buy another set before i go so i am preparing for that long haul and want to be able to find a match wherever i am if i need to cause all i know for sure is i wont be here
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why i am concidering the gladiators

So this is what gladiator says about themselves and logic dictates that E tires will last longer bulge less etc, so if E users dont notice a ride difference or negative cocequences, these benefits sound pretty good...

Benefits

The GLADIATOR® Medium Radial Truck tires offer major construction differences over current Chinese tire designs:

  • The GLADIATOR® footprint has a wider tread area, wider section width and square shoulders that result in superior handling, better wear and improved stability. The difference is remarkable once you see these tires.
  • The steel wire used in GLADIATOR® construction is finer with increased wire concentration where it counts, in the steel belts and sidewalls. This results in stronger casing, improved stability, better heat dissipation, with less casing and tread movement, so the tires run cooler for improved wear.
  • The bead area contour is the most up-to-date design, resulting in a more precise mounting to the rim. This ensures that the tire is square and true when mounted on the wheel. Also, the bead area is more durable, made with a two-compound filler. This provides a stronger sidewall with less flex for improved handling.
  • The tread and under tread compounds are made with the latest technology to ensure maximum performance and durability. The cap/base tread is configured for improved heat resistance, and will minimize heat build-up.
  • The mold shape for the GLADIATOR® tire is the latest generation design and is very similar to the current major brands of the world. Other Chinese tires are first generation, approximately 25 years old.
  • The GLADIATOR® tire includes a sidewall profile and ply lines that are different. These changes allow the load to be more evenly distributed radially around the tire, putting stress on the belt edges and the ply edges, thus reducing heat generation at the wire endings. The tire also has a lower rolling resistance.
Sounds great, but then again it is from their own site!
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Just curious. Your opening post in the thread said that these were trailer tires but what I'm reading from Gladiator's info above shows this to be a truck tire. It also notes wider tread width and square shoulders. I'm assuming that this tire can run within the existing clearances within the wheel well, especially when that axle starts to move up and down within the well.

While many folks who have Airstreams have gone to LT (truck tires) successfully, there are a couple of differences in the ST tires that the LT's don't possess (as far as I know). One item is that the sidewall in an ST supposedly has more flex. The benefit of this is to keep the sidewall bead on the wheel rim. During a hard turn its not uncommon for either the front or rear axle tires to pivot. In essance the tire isn't rolling but instead is being twisted by the contact with the ground. I see this when I back into my drive when the tire leaves a black mark on the ground as it pivots. There are some big forces being applied at that point. The other issue is UV protection. Most trailers sit in one spot for longer periods of time thus being exposed to UV. ST tires are supposed to contain additional compounds to resist the effect of UV. Those compounds work their way to the surface of the tire when the tire is rolling. UV normally isn't an issue on cars or trucks since you roll much more and the vehicle is changing orientation much more frequently. Obviously if you aren't into frequent trips you need to make sure you cover the tires (even if you have ST's).

Anybody have any other traits that the ST has that LT's don't? (Speed ratings are obvious)

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