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Old 04-18-2006, 12:35 PM   #15
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What if the nearest tire repair shop is 75 miles outside of prescott arizona ?
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You would be 20 miles away from Phoenix or Flagstaff. I would tell you to turn around.

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Old 04-18-2006, 12:44 PM   #16
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Actually, there was a Lincoln owner that was remaking a trailer/ toy hauler for his MK that was a thing of beauty. IIRC, he had some hydraulics or airbags to raise/ lower the rig to accomodate his prize show car. Anyone know what I am talking about? Where is that guy? Did he ever get it done? Seemed like a terrific craftsman answering the question no one but himself ever asked....
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His name is Barry Wolk. He lives in Michigan. I saw the trailer in November 2005. And it is almost done.

It is a 1951 Royal Spartenette 35' model. It now has three 8000 pound rated axles. With six Goodyear RST 12 ply rated tires.

He does not have a space saver tire.

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Old 04-18-2006, 01:45 PM   #17
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Hello everyone ,

It makes no difference to me if the space saver tire was used on the lunar rover . It is not designed for an airstream trailer .Are we not all on these forums, striving to get the correct tires ? All the debates on and on about st tires ,Lt tires ,ply ratings and what the sidewall says.IF you read the sidewall on a space saver tire it clearly shoes the max speed and says ,for temporary use only. Is the wheel rated for the load? I dont believe they come in a 6 lug bolt pattern .What if the nearest tire repair shop is 75 miles outside of prescott arizona ?You better hope it will work.jimmickle says go for it no problem we abused an used it in an unsafe manner at high rates of speed even though it wasnt designed for that . i would like to know ,what kind of car was it? so that tiny little tire handled just like a performance road tire with out any problems ? I dont understand how that is possible. The reason that most all people dont believe how fantastic the space saver is is because they only use it for what it was clearly designed for a temporary spare for a car ,not for a road rally.


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I only tried to say that the temporary use spares are much more robust than what is molded into the tire. The engineers at BFG told me that the 50mph and 50 mile limitation was just to try to get people to NOT leave them on forever, not because they wouldn't be safe at higher speeds or mileage. If you can find one with the correct bolt pattern, load capacity and diameter, I wouldn't be concerned with using it as a SPARE. BTW, the car was a full size Chevrolet as I remember it. Can't be sure as it was before computers for me, so don't have an entry list to check.
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:49 PM   #18
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Hellojimmickle,

I hear what yor saying, but ,it does say for temporary use only,and It is crazy to hear that it was a full size chevy ,proves the point even further dangerouse and unsafe .Everone who thinks otherwise should go over to their local wrecking yard and look at a spacesaver tire ,read the sidewall and use common sense ,no offense intended ,but someone is gonna have an accident using one of these.Hey Action I wouldnt have to turn around as I would have the other fullsize spare on my trdwnd and would not have to worry about it.


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Old 04-19-2006, 09:29 AM   #19
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Scott,

How do you know more about the safety and durability of the temporary spares than the people who made them? As I said in my first post, B F Goodrich sponsored the car that ran it to prove the safety and durability of the, then new, mini spares. I'm quite sure that they wouldn't have entered the car that way unless their testing had shown that it would be safe.

If I didn't already have a full size spare on my 25 ft Airstream, I would certainly consider looking for a temporary spare of the correct size and bolt pattern.
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If I didn't already have a full size spare on my 25 ft Airstream, I would certainly consider looking for a temporary spare of the correct size and bolt pattern.
And load rating. Just cause it fits does not necessarily mean it will work.

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hey action and jimmickle,

you guys can do whatever you want . what I know is what the design of the tire is and its intended usage ,what the sidewall says ,I dont care about B F Goodrich proving what could be done with it ,It is what BFG designed the tire for .You know ,what you are arguing with me about here makes no sense except that you two want to be right about what your doing .Why then all the goings on about the proper tires ,Lt St radial bias .Your previous posts didnt appear argumentative , and I dont know why they are now. I never said I knew more than BFG ,I also never ever heard them sanctioning the use of a space saver on anything but a temporary low speed spare tire.I have been in the auto repair business for 30 years and did tire adjustments for a major tire chain for a few years as well ,so I have some credibility.I dont want to engage in a debate over something such as an issue over wether or not we should be racing a space saver tire .


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Old 04-20-2006, 01:06 AM   #22
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Any current info on Barry W. and his mega TH tow rig? Any URL's from the Lincoln club? Any current info, photos???????????????

Would LOVE to see the end of that story that he started! He seemed like a proud photo nut about his accomplishments - deservedly so. Spartanette shmart-enette.... Looks like an AS and a HECK of an engineering feat to bring a classic back to life!!! Bring it on Barry! LOVE THE LINCOLN TOO!!!!

Former '62 Continental HT owner - suicide doors BABY! Champagne with Champagne leather interior!!!! WHAT a ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry that I don't still own that classic - won't make that mistake with the AS.

I WANNA SEE THE END OF THE STORY MA!!!! My kids mantra....

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Okay, I went out to my garage, and looked at my 11 year old temp spare.
1-It has a weight capacity of 1200 pounds, less than 1/4 of the weight of my Overlander. So it would be running over its rated weight capacity.
2-It doesn't have the proper bolt pattern, although you may be able to find one off a Mitsubishi or Nissan pickup or SUV with the proper bolt pattern.
3-It's 11 years old. When are we supposed to replace the tires on our coaches? 5-6 years.
You can, of course, do what you want. I personally would not do this, Murphy's law could rear its ugly head at any time, and using a temp spare on a travel trailer could leave you open to liability problems in case of an accident. You have seen the disclaimer: "Use of this item for other than its intended purpoe", etc.
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Old 04-20-2006, 06:44 AM   #24
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hey action and jimmickle,

you guys can do whatever you want ....... You know ,what you are arguing with me about here makes no sense except that you two want to be right about what your doing .

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Scott, Not sure why you think I am arguing with you. Cause that is not the case for me. Like you said, you can do what ever you want. However FWIW and in my opinion, using a space saver spare on my 5000 + pound Overlander after a tire failure does not seem prudent. That is just me. You do what you want. I have not seen the rating of a SSS. If I considered one it would be rated for 1800 pounds and an even higher rating for the wheel.

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Here is your link. It may be a slow load cause there is a ton of pics. 25+ pages. http://www.thelincolnforum.net/phpbb...pic.php?t=5434 If for some reason it does not open. Go to theLincolnForum.net establish an account and then go to misc lincoln related section and find the 25 page thread. Likely 50 or more pics.


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In 2003 I had a flat in my TV at about 90 miles from my destination. So I pulled over and got out the spare. My spare is on a rack on the outside of my van. And since we get a bit of sun here I always have a cover on it. And it was a used spare, not sure of the age. (You know used - as in the last time I replaced 4 tires I took the best and made it a spare. So it was at least 6 years years old.) I installed that spare and it lasted 60 miles when it shreaded. OK so now I am in Mexico, 30 miles from my destination with 3 good tires on my TV. I get picked up by some of my friends that were about a 1/2 hour behind me.

Chancing that 11 year old spare when you need it after something happened to your regular tire...... hmmmmm. I think Clint Eastwood said something like "do ya feel lucky?".

Besides the fact that the rim is the wrong size. And the load rating would be safer around 1800 pounds. (For a dual axle Overlander)

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A temporary spare from a 2000 Nissan Frontier has 6 hole bolt pattern and is tated for 1764 lbs. Like others have said a person can do as they please but if engineers and federal regulators say temporary spare is OK for temporary use on passenger vehicle why would it be unsafe on trailer provided you use common sense and drive slowly and carefully to nearest tire store?
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Good point Norsim.

Another observation is that I have never seen a production travel trailer of any make include a SSS as an option or a standard item.

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Hello to Action ,

Im sorry that I mistakenly included you in my last reply, I thought your response was in keeping with the other poster.Overlander 63 did the right thing and went out and looked at his car space saver .

To Norism ,The nissan wheel is not the correct rated wheel ,the spare in question here is the space saver, not a normal size temporary spare .The space saver tire is about the size of a motorcycle tire 4" wide average ,the sidewall is 3or4" tall not even close to the proper height nor width of a standard tire on your airstream.


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Scottanilly:

The 2000 Nissan Friontier is equiped with TEMPORARY SPACESAVER SPARE that has 6 hole bolt pattern and 1764 lb. weight rating, tire is marked TEMPORARY USE ONLY in large letters. Temporary spacesaver spares on all vehicles are a different size than other tires on vehicle that is why they are called spacesavers but tire engineers, auto and truck engineers and Federal regulators say they are accepable fot TEMPORARY use.

From the owners manual of my 1977 Argosy "The independent suspension of the Dura-Torque Axle allows a four wheel unit to be safely towed on three wheels for a short distance ( 100 miles maximum) and only at low speed (30 MPH)." I think that using the Nissan spare would be an improvement on this even if it is not exact match for other ties and wheels.
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