So are there any known failures of the GYE tires yet?

[hunnerdog]

Hi all... I bought a 2013 25 ft flying cloud rb twin recently. It had only 3k miles on it. It was stored under cover for over 3 years since the last time it was used. It had Marathon tires on it. I heard a lot of horror stories about them, so I called goodyear about my concerns. They told me that they had some problems with the Marathons. I asked how they were addressing the issue. I was told that they were replacing them with Endurance. I would have to pay the difference in price between the Marathon and the Endurance as well as installation. The bottom line was it cost me $250 to replace all four tires as well as the spare. Unfortunately, I got one defective tire that failed on my first trip. Goodyear replaced it with no issue. I must say, Goodyear has stood behind their product. I am optimistic that the Endurance tires will perform well. I have heard good things. Time will tell.

[ROBERT CROSS]

I bought our GYE's from Tire Rack. They arrived the day before we were supposed to leave on a trip. Called CW to see if they could mount 4 tires bare, no trailer labor, they said sure we can fit you in for $199+tax.🤯👎

The GY store 6mi away did it for $68 including Road Force balancing...it seems GY has stepped it up a bit, at least here in WNY.👍

Bob
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[gregwall]

Originally Posted by Bob662

Greg, two questions.
1. Which trailer -- the 25' or 30'?
2. Did you arrive at 63psi from the chalk marking, or a pressure chart?

Bob, it is the 25' Flying Cloud FB that I weighed at 6050#, loaded and hooked to the truck. Tongue weight weighed by Lewster is 1075#.

After reading the forum on tires, I started at 70psi, popped a rivet and threw the cushions all around, so I dropped to 65#. Then I did the chalk several times on my trip down the Natchez Trace and dropped it to 63#. I will still check it periodically with the chalk. Roads and bridges can be so rough and bumpy, it's hard to judge by that. Anyone know a way to hold that back dinette cushion by the door from coming unsnapped?

[crispyboy]

Originally Posted by ROBERT CROSS

The GY store 6mi away did it for $68 including Road Force balancing...it seems GY has stepped it up a bit, at least here in WNY.👍

Bob
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One would have hoped that Good Year is "stepping it up". I have visited this and other forums over the past many years and Good Year has taken an "A$$ Whoopin' over the Marathon tires - some deserved and some not.
My opinion is that GY must have looked at the warranty claims, social media power and a trailer tire market that is ripe for the picking so out came the Endurance tire. As you go down the road look at how many trailers you see everyday from:utility trailers, travel trailers, 5th wheels, gooseneck - there are a lot of tires that could be sold to the oem or the aftermarket.
When I put tires on our GYE trailer two years ago I arranged the whole deal through GY's website. I showed up at the appointment time at the GY store, pulled the trailer up on blocks and they did the rest. I did specify the tire pressure (65 psi) and wheel torque for the technician. Easy Peasey!
When this tire hits year 5 on the market with a respectable track record - we will know.

[gypsydad]

Originally Posted by jadatis

Would you like to give this " troll" from this topic.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f438...-193226-2.html
Your gawr's and number of axles and tire-specifications, so I can calculate wit my pigheaded system, a highest pressure, at wich no rivets comming lose, so we can compare that with your used 50/55 psi.
In that topic you gave 45 psi acording to the list, and you wrote using 45/50 psi.
If my calc comes to 70 psi, I have to adjust my idea, but think it will come to 50 to 60 psi.

I started at 45-50 per the chart and my weight on my AS...; I notice that becomes 50-55PSI when i am on the road watching my TPMS; I am fine with that number; still no issues with rivets nor hinges. I will head up to MT in a couple weeks and likely need to adjust as I get to altitude. I don't carry a compressor in my TV, but thinking I might start this trip...who's the troll, by the way??

[Mollysdad]

When I bought my 2017 26U, it sat on the lot with GYM. I made a big deal out of getting new GYE.
The dealer (bless their hearts) gave me new GYE. They said, "Nobody cares about tires except you!" Then I realized they didn't buy me a new set, they swapped with a 2018 trailer, probably rims too. It cost them nothing.
So, to the person who now is the owner of a 2018 Airstream with Good Year Marathons, I say, "I'm sorry, but thanks."

Yes, they have been trouble free so far. I run them at 65 psi. and use a TPMS which is more fascinating to watch than a movie!
From cold to highway the pressure increases about 7 pounds.
I can tell a difference even on which side the Sun is shining on.

[gypsydad]

Originally Posted by gregwall

Bob, it is the 25' Flying Cloud FB that I weighed at 6050#, loaded and hooked to the truck. Tongue weight weighed by Lewster is 1075#.

After reading the forum on tires, I started at 70psi, popped a rivet and threw the cushions all around, so I dropped to 65#. Then I did the chalk several times on my trip down the Natchez Trace and dropped it to 63#. I will still check it periodically with the chalk. Roads and bridges can be so rough and bumpy, it's hard to judge by that. Anyone know a way to hold that back dinette cushion by the door from coming unsnapped?

Velcro is what we ended up using on our last 25' FC. Worked pretty well. No issues with the 28' and cushions, running now at 50-55psi.

[gypsydad]

Originally Posted by jadatis

Would you like to give this " troll" from this topic.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f438...-193226-2.html
Your gawr's and number of axles and tire-specifications, so I can calculate wit my pigheaded system, a highest pressure, at wich no rivets comming lose, so we can compare that with your used 50/55 psi.
In that topic you gave 45 psi acording to the list, and you wrote using 45/50 psi.
If my calc comes to 70 psi, I have to adjust my idea, but think it will come to 50 to 60 psi.

think I missed your comment here; were you asking to see my scale tickets? Here they are...yes, 4 tires with 2 axles...(couldn't get a 3rd axle on the 28!)

[SewStream]

Here’s a look at what a nail/screw does to a GYE tire. Thankful for our TPMS, and that we saw/heard our low pressure alert while parked at our campsite. Again, thankful for a ride to have our tire repaired! Not exactly what’s on our agenda for today. Especially since the stream next to us is way above flood stage. [emoji53]

[jadatis]

Originally Posted by gypsydad

think I missed your comment here; were you asking to see my scale tickets? Here they are...yes, 4 tires with 2 axles...(couldn't get a 3rd axle on the 28!)

When I read the weightslips right, 6480 lbs on the 4 tires when only TT weighed.
When behind towing vehicle 6820 lbs on the 4 tires.
So you must be using a WDH .
And that weight you have to calc or look up the pressure for. Asuming you have the Endurance 225/75R15 E-load , so maxload 2830lbs( loadindex 117) AT 80 psi.
Looking in that list for( 6820/4)+ 10% reserve = 1876lbs , gives 40 psi .
My calc gives 52 psi, and when lowering the loadindex 6 steps ( to give it deflection as if LT tire), 62 psi.
This is cold pressure so when inside tire temp = outside tire temp and 65/ 68 degr F.
Pressure rises about 11% when driving 55mph, at outside temp of 65 degr F,when pressure is set right.
To my conclusions the 62 psi wil yust not giving loose rivits, and the most possible reserve.
And this is cold pressure. So cold pressure between 55 and 60 psi will be fine.

In the other topic , someone mentioned, that axle and tire- reserves had bettered for AS , so I dont think that tirefailure of Endurance, will not be seen at AS , but other TT brands that have less or no reserves in the tires, also with Endurance tirefailure, when using the same pressures as with the D- load older ST tires. Those most likelt have to use tge full 80 psi, and then no rivets loosing.

[SteveSueMac]

Originally Posted by SewStream

Here’s a look at what a nail/screw does to a GYE tire. Thankful for our TPMS, and that we saw/heard our low pressure alert while parked at our campsite. Again, thankful for a ride to have our tire repaired! Not exactly what’s on our agenda for today. Especially since the stream next to us is way above flood stage. [emoji53]
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Please get out quickly. We just escaped a flood situation at a friend’s house on a river. In the morning we had 4” of water pooling up around us - couldn’t get out with our 4WD - had to get towed. Road was starting to flood on both ends too. We got out at 3 in the afternoon with about 8” of water around us and made it home. This morning, there’s 3 feet of water where we were parked. It happens fast. Please get out quickly if you haven’t yet. Better safe than sorry!

[Tireman9]

Originally Posted by SewStream

Here’s a look at what a nail/screw does to a GYE tire. Thankful for our TPMS, and that we saw/heard our low pressure alert while parked at our campsite. Again, thankful for a ride to have our tire repaired! Not exactly what’s on our agenda for today. Especially since the stream next to us is way above flood stage. [emoji53]
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Good thing you use TPMS. Otherwise you might have ended up with a GYE "Blowout" which would have confused all those who think the GYE will not fail.

[gypsydad]

Originally Posted by jadatis

When I read the weightslips right, 6480 lbs on the 4 tires when only TT weighed.
When behind towing vehicle 6820 lbs on the 4 tires.
So you must be using a WDH .
And that weight you have to calc or look up the pressure for. Asuming you have the Endurance 225/75R15 E-load , so maxload 2830lbs( loadindex 117) AT 80 psi.
Looking in that list for( 6820/4)+ 10% reserve = 1876lbs , gives 40 psi .
My calc gives 52 psi, and when lowering the loadindex 6 steps ( to give it deflection as if LT tire), 62 psi.
This is cold pressure so when inside tire temp = outside tire temp and 65/ 68 degr F.
Pressure rises about 11% when driving 55mph, at outside temp of 65 degr F,when pressure is set right.
To my conclusions the 62 psi wil yust not giving loose rivits, and the most possible reserve.
And this is cold pressure. So cold pressure between 55 and 60 psi will be fine.

In the other topic , someone mentioned, that axle and tire- reserves had bettered for AS , so I dont think that tirefailure of Endurance, will not be seen at AS , but other TT brands that have less or no reserves in the tires, also with Endurance tirefailure, when using the same pressures as with the D- load older ST tires. Those most likelt have to use tge full 80 psi, and then no rivets loosing.

Thanks; sounds about right. I think the 55-60 works well for this trailer while at temp. As I mentioned, no more issues. I called GY again about the warranty running to the chart vs max pressure, and they told me it wouldn't matter and I should expect wear for mileage/ warranty not to be affected if I was running to their recommendations. (oh boy; here we go now, huh?)

[4Kilefamily]

After 2 years and about 5,000 miles, my GYE are doing great.
Running them at about 75psi.

Just wanted to follow the tread. Thanks

[Gallego]

Originally Posted by gregwall

Bob, it is the 25' Flying Cloud FB that I weighed at 6050#, loaded and hooked to the truck. Tongue weight weighed by Lewster is 1075#.

After reading the forum on tires, I started at 70psi, popped a rivet and threw the cushions all around, so I dropped to 65#. Then I did the chalk several times on my trip down the Natchez Trace and dropped it to 63#. I will still check it periodically with the chalk. Roads and bridges can be so rough and bumpy, it's hard to judge by that. Anyone know a way to hold that back dinette cushion by the door from coming unsnapped?

Tell me about the chalk please, not familiar with that?

[CruizinDux]

Added the mileage on the gye's last night. New Feb 2018 with a few clicks shy of 25,000 miles. Started at 80 PSI, dropped it to about 72....did margin math again (thanks Tireman 9) for your post on the other gye thread...re ST, Speed, psi and weight + margin) and have settled on 75.

Feeling groovey...

[gregwall]

Originally Posted by Gallego

Tell me about the chalk please, not familiar with that?

I was concerned with the GYE tires, but also the GMC Denali Michelin tires were wearing on the outside and not in the middle. I assumed the dealer was properly inflating the tires on oil changes and tire rotations, but that didn't prove correct. The diesel engine is so heavy, more pressure is recommended in the front than an empty truck bed in the back. However, I have a 450# aluminum storage box in the back, more when loaded, plus 1075# tongue weight when towing. Here is a link to an explanation of the method: https://www.intercotire.com/using_ch...etermining_psi
Or Google chalk method for tire inflation.

I wasn't aware of checking the mark on the pavement, since my information came from a GMC diesel forum. They recommended 800' and then check. I found I had to mark the side of the tire so I could find the marks. I carry a ViAir compressor and find it very helpful. I see there are lots of new models today.....like everything else

[Gallego]

Thank's a lot, I love how much you can learn on this forum

[Tireman9]

Originally Posted by jadatis

When I read the weightslips right, 6480 lbs on the 4 tires when only TT weighed.
When behind towing vehicle 6820 lbs on the 4 tires.
So you must be using a WDH .
And that weight you have to calc or look up the pressure for. Asuming you have the Endurance 225/75R15 E-load , so maxload 2830lbs( loadindex 117) AT 80 psi.
Looking in that list for( 6820/4)+ 10% reserve = 1876lbs , gives 40 psi .
My calc gives 52 psi, and when lowering the loadindex 6 steps ( to give it deflection as if LT tire), 62 psi.
This is cold pressure so when inside tire temp = outside tire temp and 65/ 68 degr F.
Pressure rises about 11% when driving 55mph, at outside temp of 65 degr F,when pressure is set right.
To my conclusions the 62 psi wil yust not giving loose rivits, and the most possible reserve.
And this is cold pressure. So cold pressure between 55 and 60 psi will be fine.

In the other topic , someone mentioned, that axle and tire- reserves had bettered for AS , so I dont think that tirefailure of Endurance, will not be seen at AS , but other TT brands that have less or no reserves in the tires, also with Endurance tirefailure, when using the same pressures as with the D- load older ST tires. Those most likelt have to use tge full 80 psi, and then no rivets loosing.

Reserve Load was increased for new TT Nov 2016 as I recall by RVIA from 0% to +10% reserve required for ALL TT that follow RVIA guidelines so this is not an AS only situation.

[jadatis]

Did a long story yesterday, but dissapeared when submitting on mobile, so will try to keep it short, now on laptop.
Answer to above from Tireman9.


And what about the TT that dont follow the guidlines? And other older TT that did not use this 10% so when replacing tires are kept same specifications.


But used #27 I made at topic I gave link to about Endurance.
To show 2 things, one that AS has comfortable reserves even with ST so is exeption to the rule.And second that other TT brands with 10% reserve to ST tires could not even be enaugh to give zero change on damage by overheating.


There GVWR 7400 lbs and 2 axles of 3800lbs GAWR,so comfortably overrated already.
Tires ST 225/75R15 maxload 2540 wich is loadindex 113 AT 65 psi .
Using this 2 tires an axle so 5080lbs/3800lbs GAWR= 1.33 so 33% reserve .
Giving same deflection as LT so lowered 6 LI steps to 107/ 2150 lbs.
Then same calc 4300/3800 gives 13% reserve so more then 10% still .
Then comfortable payload at AS ( correct me if wrong) so overloading you wont see that often, and certainly not for the axles .
This gives in practice even more then 13% reserve to my extra hard standards.


Now other brand that has tires with new guidelines 10% reserve, same weights and construction as AS example.
7400 lbs GVWR, GAWR probably only 3500lbs /axle.
only for the example , this tire maybe not exists , 3500/2=1750+10%= 1920 lbs maxload AT65 psi up to 65mph.
This 10 % is already, needed to cover unequal load R/L. So if you drive a bit faster the 65mph, and/or a bit overloaded axle and/or pressure inaccurately measured a bit higher so in real a bit lower then 65psi, and or etc etc, the tires still overheat, and still damage that builds up untill the tire blows, so still tireproblems to be expected.
Going to Endurance with 80 psi and looking in pressure/loadcapacity list of Goodyear, gives same pressure as for 65psi D-load old ST , but need higher pressure for E-load 80 psi . So if then advices are kept as given in list , still tirefailure to be expected. And then its even better to give the tire a deflection as if LT tire , so max reserve with still no bumping, as my system , so the new Endurance needs probably then 80 psi to give zero change on tirefailure.