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Old 06-10-2014, 04:36 PM   #29
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Second Blow Out, Gremlins? Chinese Tires?

Are the random odds really one in sixteen..... Or are the odds actually one in four?

Think about it....

The odds were one in four the first time when "the point was set", and then one in four when you made the point. The odds of the same tire blowing is only one in four.

Any way you cut it, each time the die is rolled it is a new beginning, the history matters not.
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A fair coin is always 50/50, each and every flip. Even if it landed tails 9 out of 10 times. That tenth flip is still 50/50.
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A fair coin is always 50/50, each and every flip. Even if it landed tails 9 out of 10 times. That tenth flip is still 50/50.
According to the 50/50 rule, when I grab a plug to stick into the 120v outlet, I should have picked it up half the time oriented correctly to go in the darned outlet. How I seem to NEVER get it right the first time ?
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According to the 50/50 rule, when I grab a plug to stick into the 120v outlet, I should have picked it up half the time oriented correctly to go in the darned outlet. How I seem to NEVER get it right the first time ?
When I go to plug in a two prong plug, at least 9 out of 10 times its backwards.
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True dat Carl.
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Since we are talking statistics, 100% of the time, I don't listen to wife and it works out anyway. Explain that one?

Called the place where I bought the tires yesterday. The guy said: "Goodyear has left a really bad taste in my mouth, I don't like the company, there is no warranty but if you bring the tire in, I will send it back to the company, they will take a month to decide and send a note back saying it was a defect".

Fortunately, I have another tire in the meantime and no big trips planned, I will keep you posted.

Thanks again all, great discussion.
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Old 06-11-2014, 11:32 AM   #35
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A fair coin is always 50/50, each and every flip. Even if it landed tails 9 out of 10 times. That tenth flip is still 50/50.
Murphy's law, stated mathematically:
Given a 50:50 chance that anything can go wrong, 9 times out of 10 it will.
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In 2009 I got bit by the I-26 gremlin. I was towing a 2002 Hi-Lo home from Camping World and the road felt really smooth so I bumped her up to 70 when the back end did a little dance. I pulled over to find the right rear tire had separated. All my bad - too fast, an old set of tires and the being on the gremlin highway.
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Possible Cause

Camping World in Charleston called me today, diagnosis is......

There was a broken wire from the brake controller to the left front wheel. Whenever I hit the brakes, the two left wheels braked normally, the right rear applied its brake but the right front did not.

The right wheel was braking and the left wheel was not. The technician suggested this heated the right rear tire up and shortened its life.

Sounds reasonable. Any thoughts?

Either way, they will check alignment, rotate tires and fix the broken brake wire.

I am still waiting to hear from Goodyear on whether they will replace the tire.

That's all for today update, except the AC had a big mud dauber nest that made it rattle, the cleared that up too. The South is a tough place to survive some times.
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There was a broken wire from the brake controller to the left front wheel. Whenever I hit the brakes, the two left wheels braked normally, the right rear applied its brake but the right front did not.

The right wheel was braking and the left wheel was not. The technician suggested this heated the right rear tire up and shortened its life.

Sounds reasonable. Any thoughts?

The broken wire would have NO effect on the remaining tires, either side. Electric brakes are applied as a function of amperage applied by the brake controller. The lose of one brake would not effect the others. The most reaction one might expect would be a pulling of the trailer to the side with more functioning brake.

Join the group. Goodyear tires just fail. That is what they are know for and they are good at it.
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Camping World in Charleston called me today, diagnosis is......

There was a broken wire from the brake controller to the left front wheel. Whenever I hit the brakes, the two left wheels braked normally, the right rear applied its brake but the right front did not.

The right wheel was braking and the left wheel was not. The technician suggested this heated the right rear tire up and shortened its life.

Sounds reasonable. Any thoughts?

Either way, they will check alignment, rotate tires and fix the broken brake wire.

I am still waiting to hear from Goodyear on whether they will replace the tire.

That's all for today update, except the AC had a big mud dauber nest that made it rattle, the cleared that up too. The South is a tough place to survive some times.
I'm glad you titled that "possible cause". Key word there is "possible". But "not likely".

I'm with Howie on this one.

Replace them with good tires and leave those worries behind.
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A brake drum has to get very hot to pop a tire.

I really really doubt this is the cause, and I doubt the problem as described would induce much if any additional heat.
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I don't know why I haven't been following this thread, but I apologize - and have, I think, something important to add.

First, thanks jnerges, for the photos.

What I see is a Run Flat condition - that is, the tire lost inflation pressure in some way, and usually that's because of a puncture. So the first step to confirm is to look for a puncture in the tread. Whoever looks should look on the inside. It's easier to see by looking on the relatively smooth inside rather than the highly textured outside. 90% of the time I can find the puncture I am looking for. The other 10% it's likely the puncture is in the damaged area.

While there is a separation, it doesn't follow the right sequence for a separation caused failure. I think the separation is an artifact of the run flat condition and not the cause of the the run flat condition.

So, no, I don't think this is caused by a defect, nor do I think there is any connection between the tire failure and the brake issue. Just large coincidences.
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I don't know why I haven't been following this thread, but I apologize - and have, I think, something important to add.

First, thanks jnerges, for the photos.

What I see is a Run Flat condition - that is, the tire lost inflation pressure in some way, and usually that's because of a puncture. So the first step to confirm is to look for a puncture in the tread. Whoever looks should look on the inside. It's easier to see by looking on the relatively smooth inside rather than the highly textured outside. 90% of the time I can find the puncture I am looking for. The other 10% it's likely the puncture is in the damaged area.

While there is a separation, it doesn't follow the right sequence for a separation caused failure. I think the separation is an artifact of the run flat condition and not the cause of the the run flat condition.

So, no, I don't think this is caused by a defect, nor do I think there is any connection between the tire failure and the brake issue. Just large coincidences.
I had a feeling the brake wire problem was a stretch. I am happy they found it though, It was very subtle but I had to increase the setting on the brake controller lately. We will see if this fixes it.

I pick the trailer up tomorrow. Right now the fractured tire is at Goodyear for "X Ray Inspection". Who knows, Maybe I will get a new one, if we go across country again, I will probably trade them all out, I don't know. We had 90% good luck with Marathons and 10% bad, give or take 90%.
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