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Old 06-10-2014, 07:48 AM   #15
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Some thoughts:

First A better description would help sort out things - "Shredded" could mean quite a few things are wrong and it would be nice to narrow this down a bit. So:

Was the tread and top belt missing in whole or in part?

What the sidewall just threads?

Photos would be awesome.

Ya' see, there is always the possibility that you had a road debris problem. While the odds are pretty slim, they aren't zero and the right rear is the most likely position to have this problem - and "shredded" would be one of the results.

Second, I would definitely weigh the trailer. Get it down to each wheel position. Weigh the trailer absolutely loaded to the max. You want the worst possible condition. Let us know what you find.

Tires? Size and Load Range please. Then once you have the weights, choose the worst loading and compare it to load carrying capacity of the tires. I recommend the tires not be loaded more than 85% of the rated capacity.
Here is the first photo. I really appreciate all your support.

I am leaning toward a defect. I will certainly pay more attention to air pressure, I am usually pretty good but I can always get better.

The last picture shows what I think is a separation.
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Old 06-10-2014, 08:45 AM   #16
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Do not think your math is right. I think there is about a 25% chance of having the second blowout on the same tire as the first blowout, since the first blowout could have been in any of the 4 positions.....
His math was spot on because of the way he stated his concern. What are the chances that he would have two blowouts at the same location on the trailer? Assuming each tire had the same probability of blowing, to have the right rear position experience back to back fatalities is indeed a 6.25 percent chance.

The problem is that there are way too many variables involved as have been mentioned above. There is something amiss here and that is why looking into this is a good thing. Bad tire, overloading, high speed, high temperatures, and so on and so on. The LT option is starting to look better all the time.
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The 6.25% is correct for 2 failures on the right rear specified from the start. But the question really is what is the chance of 2 consecutive failures on the same tire on the trailer. That chance is 25% since the first one can be on any wheel. He did not know the right rear was going to be the one to blow the first time.

I think to ignore that possibility of it being a bad tire would be a mistake.

For that trailer I would be looking at some load range D LT tires (Goodyear and others still sell them) or a switch to 16" wheels.
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Old 06-10-2014, 12:03 PM   #18
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you have a 99.9% chance of blowout running a Goodyear Marathon. - Worst tires ever. On a tri axle Pace American car hauler i was blowing out 4-6 Marathons a year for 3 years. We only put +/- 5,000 KM per year max.
I had the axles checked, the brakes checked, wheel alignment. - Everything on the trailer was good.
Switched to 6 Hercules tires, 4 years later... same tires

The goodyears I had on my Ram weren't much better.
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Old 06-10-2014, 12:21 PM   #19
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Although you mentioned that you bought "new" tires always check the date on the tires. New on the vehicle doesn't always mean the tires are fresh. Don't know if that was a contributing factor but worth checking.

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Old 06-10-2014, 01:29 PM   #20
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First picture was a D rated Goodyear Marathon. Apparently threw a piece of tread on the highway. Belt broke as I was backing into the drive. Tire was almost 5 years old.

Second and third pictures are of E rated Maxxis ST tires. Both on the front axle. The tire that is taller shows evidence of belt slippage. The smaller tire is the rear axle tire from the same side of the trailer. In this case both tires from the front axles showed evidence of belt slippage. Found both tires in trouble after backing into the drive upon return from a 225 mile trip. Tires did not show this when leaving from my destination. Tires were at the beginning of season 4 of use.

I replaced tires and wheels with 16" Michelin LTX tires 2 seasons ago. I'll never put an ST tire on my Airstream again. Note that I'm a stickler for tire pressure and have a pretty good handle on the load that my trailer is carrying. The Goodyear tire had been carrying 65 psi cold, and the Maxxis tires were inflated to 80 psi cold.

Towing speed is between 55 and 65 mph depending upon road surface and traffic.

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Three years max, pushing it to 4 years according to my tire guy. St tires. Jim
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I am sorry but by now why would anyone question a blowout if they are running Goodyear tires?

Convert to 16 in. rims and put Michelin LTs on.
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I have a similar size trailer as to yours. Convert to 16 inch wheels and LT Michelins and never look back. I did.
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I didn't read the entire thread, so if someone suggested this already, sorry: Check that your brake isn't hanging up on that wheel. I saw that happen once.
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Old 06-10-2014, 03:44 PM   #25
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I am sorry but by now why would anyone question a blowout if they are running Goodyear tires?

Convert to 16 in. rims and put Michelin LTs on.
Justifying their st tires purchase?
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just replaced my goodyears of 7 years with goodyears first ones canadians no problems run 65 70 hope the chinese ones are as good
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Tires should be changed out about every 4 years. If kept outdoors, covers should be applied to keep the sun (read UV) away from the tire. Proper inflation is key. Most "D" rated tires are 65psi cold and "E"s 80psi and that should be followed very closely.

Additionally a good set of these do wonders for balancing the running gear. More times than not the tires for a long time were not balanced.

Centramatic Wheel Balancer, Tire Balancers for DFW Trucks

Finally, choose your tires carefully. Yes Marathons appeared to have a higher failure rate, but keep in mind it's all relative. Marathons represent the bulk of trailer tires out there. I went with Maxxis tires for a couple of reasons. First they are a quality tire and second, there is a nylon cap holding the tread on. I bought D rated tires last go around, and this last time, I picked up their E rated tires and have been pleased with both purchases.

My initial Marathons also had no issues, but I did notice unusual sidewall bulge that I've not seen on any other trailer tires I've owned.
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just replaced my goodyears of 7 years with goodyears first ones canadians no problems run 65 70 hope the chinese ones are as good
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