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02-19-2017, 11:24 AM
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Rivet Master
1988 25' Excella
1987 32' Excella
Knoxville
, Tennessee
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 5,102
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Been to JC several times. Been to the JC booth at the International several time. At both places JC had 16" wheels with Michelin LT tires mounted for sale. And they put them on some new trailers for a while. Old news. 10 or so years ago when I saw the first. I do not know what they do now.
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02-19-2017, 11:59 AM
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#42
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4 Rivet Member
2005 25' Classic
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 393
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In 2015 we replaced our 15" wheels and tires with 16" Sendel T03 wheels and 16" Michelin LTX M/S tires. Since then we have been to Alaska in 2015 and to the Atlantic provinces of Canada in 2016. We now have about 24000 miles on the tires with little wear. The GYM tires would have been worn out and maybe blown out as one did for us in 2010.
Dennis
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02-19-2017, 12:01 PM
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#43
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Rivet Master
2017 28' Flying Cloud
2014 25' FB Flying Cloud
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Georgetown (winter)Thayne (summer)
, Texas & Wyoming
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 6,619
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Michelins from the 2017 Brochure
To answer the earlier question; This picture below isfrom the new AS brochure under Classic specs; note the Michelins as "standard equip" on this model. Some "other folks" have posted that some AS service centers are also displaying Michelins as an option now. Many of us have been using for years with no issues...that was the point. (sorry for the small print in this picture...you have to select it and enlarge to see the details; at least, I do!)
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02-22-2017, 04:53 PM
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#44
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4 Rivet Member
2017 28' International
Virginia Beach
, Virginia
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 405
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I know there are many opinions. I have a 2017 28' Serenity. I want upgrade to 16 inch rims and Michelin tires. I need advice on whether the 16 inch rims and tires will fit given clearances forward and aft and where to find the rims. Thanks.
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02-22-2017, 08:11 PM
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#45
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3 Rivet Member
2016 28' International
Redmond
, Washington
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 100
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VaTravelers
I know there are many opinions. I have a 2017 28' Serenity. I want upgrade to 16 inch rims and Michelin tires. I need advice on whether the 16 inch rims and tires will fit given clearances forward and aft and where to find the rims. Thanks.
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I just installed them on my 2016 '28 Serenity without issue. LT225/75R16 Michelins on Sendel 16x6 T03 wheels, same as higher end Airstreams like the Eddie Bauer edition.
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02-24-2017, 06:33 PM
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Rivet Master
Hampton
, New Hampshire
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,126
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Verdict just in. A higher order has chosen Michelin over Goodyear. Case closed.
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2019 Airstream Classic 30RBT, 2021 Ford F350 King Ranch 4X4 w/6.7L Diesel, Hensley, ACI #1313
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02-25-2017, 05:28 AM
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#47
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Rivet Master
1967 17' Caravel
Oak Creek
, Colorado
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 1,556
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I fear this case will never be closed. ;-)
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02-26-2017, 08:00 AM
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#48
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1 Rivet Member
2017 25' International
Washington
, Washington, D.C.
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 6
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Recommended Tires
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roadtech
But what type of Michelins?
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This video recommends Sailun tires on a 5th wheel, which are 14 ply steel-belted radials and identical to the Michelins of this type. Assuming they'd work on an Airstream as well. Interesting comparison off the rim with the dealer tires (which are a similar weight to the GYMs that come standard on the Airstream).
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02-28-2017, 01:20 AM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
, Montana
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,576
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KathrynB
This video recommends Sailun tires on a 5th wheel, which are 14 ply steel-belted radials and identical to the Michelins of this type. Assuming they'd work on an Airstream as well. Interesting comparison off the rim with the dealer tires (which are a similar weight to the GYMs that come standard on the Airstream).
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Why would you put a 4000 lb rated tire on an airstream? Especially some off brand. If you have a 16,000 lb trailer fine, they would shake the rivets loose on a light trailer...I wil keep my michelins, thank you.....
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02-28-2017, 09:30 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1991 34' Limited
Tyler
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 205
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triple axle
six tires at load range D or 2500# each = 15,000# weight capacity. Trailer max is 8900# so no issue w/ the need for E tires.
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2000 F250SD Crew Cab 4x4 V10
Reese WD Hitch
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02-28-2017, 10:10 AM
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Moderator dude
1966 26' Overlander
Phoenix
, Arizona
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 7,501
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Multi-axle tires almost never have issues with capacity. A single axle tire can be running a little thin.
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03-07-2017, 12:08 PM
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#52
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4 Rivet Member
2017 28' International
Virginia Beach
, Virginia
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 405
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dstalzer
In 2015 we replaced our 15" wheels and tires with 16" Sendel T03 wheels and 16" Michelin LTX M/S tires. Since then we have been to Alaska in 2015 and to the Atlantic provinces of Canada in 2016. We now have about 24000 miles on the tires with little wear. The GYM tires would have been worn out and maybe blown out as one did for us in 2010.
Dennis
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Dennis,
I have a 2017 28' Serenity. I am going to replace my GYMs - because I don't want to deal with issues down the road. I have Michelin's on my TV and love the ride and performance. Most of the discussion on making this upgrade also talks about moving to 16 inch rims. What is the reason for this? Does Michelin not make a 15 inch LTX M/S tire? I suspect that is the case. Thanks,
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03-08-2017, 08:05 AM
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Rivet Master
2002 30' Classic S/O
Garden Valley
, Idaho
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,631
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Yes, Michelin does make a15" LTX, but not in an E rated tire. That's why most decided to move up from a 15 to a 16" rim, to take advantage of E rated tires from many brands including Michelins.
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2002 Airstream Classic 30' w/SO #2074
2007 Kubota 900 RTV
1996 Ford Bronco
2007 Lincoln LT
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03-08-2017, 10:54 AM
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Rivet Master
2017 30' Classic
Anna Maria
, Florida
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,642
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pappy19
Yes, Michelin does make a15" LTX, but not in an E rated tire. That's why most decided to move up from a 15 to a 16" rim, to take advantage of E rated tires from many brands including Michelins.
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I have Michelin LTX/MS2/P235 R15/108T tires on our 2013 30' International.
It is a Light Truck Extra load tire. @ 50 PSI its load capacity is 2183 lbs.
They are available however most places don't stock them and have to order them in.
They are great tires been using them for three years now.
I couldn't justify spending the extra money for the 16" wheels and other bells and whistles.
I have had these tires on my trucks and never had one fail regardless how overloaded I ran them.
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03-09-2017, 05:01 PM
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#55
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4 Rivet Member
2017 28' International
Virginia Beach
, Virginia
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 405
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03-09-2017, 08:36 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2012 25' FB Flying Cloud
Parker
, Colorado
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 131
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumatic
Anybody have any problems with tire store employees jacking up your Airstream under the axles instead of the axle mounting plates as recommended by Airstream? I find that unless told otherwise the AS will ususally be jacked up by the axle. Sometimes employees are cooperative, sometimes indignant.
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Lumatic, I had Discount tire install 4 15" new Goodyear Endurance on my 25 ft dual axle Flying Cloud today for $600 all in. I've been buying tires for 3 cars from them for 15 years and my trust level is high. They jacked them under the axles after taking the time to discuss my concerns. Their explanation was that the jack points are for changing a single tire. They are not intended to lift the whole trailer. The axles are for supporting the entire trailer. As long as you use 4 jacks at the same time on the axles, makes sense to me.
These are E rated tires 80psi. They recommended running at the 80 max as that's what they are designed for. Strongly discouraged me from buying anything but trailer tires. Since you should replace by age and not by miles I don't look at mileage warranty. I'll see if this produces a rough ride and if stuff gets tossed around inside. Will report back. I only buy Michelen for all my vehicles up until now so we'll see, but seem to be a much beefier tire than the GYM Marathon
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2012 Toyota Tundra 5.7L V8
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03-09-2017, 08:59 PM
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Moderator
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Alamo Heights
, Texas
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 8,500
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It's fine to jack from the axle FLANGE, but not the axle tubes themselves.
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Zero Gravitas 2017 Flying Cloud 26U | WBCCI# 15566
He has all of the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire. Sir Winston Churchill
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03-09-2017, 09:00 PM
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#58
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 6,215
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In October of 2012, we migrated our 2013 25FB International Serenity from the stock
15" GYM ST225/75R15D tires rated 2,540 pounds @ 65 psi and 28.3" in diameter
to
15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires rated 2,183 pounds @ 50 psi derated to 1,985 pounds form trailer use and 28.9" in diameter. The trailer was elevated about 0.3". Tire pressure was 44 psi. Mounted on the original stock wheels.
Some folks also put that same tire on the 27/28 models as the GVW was only 300 pounds higher than 7,300 pound GVW of the 25FB. Also installed Centramatic wheel balancers.
We removed the stock 15" GYM ST225/75R15D tires from the 2014 Classic as soon as I got it to the storage unit. I installed 16" Michelin LT225/75R16/E LTX M/S2 tires rated 2,680 pounds @ 80 psi and 29.2" in diameter. These same tires are for sale at the entrance to the Airstream customer service center in Jackson Center, Ohio. They raised the trailer 0.45". They were mounted on the SenDel T03-66655T wheels used by the factory with the 16" Michelins that are compatible with all 25' and longer wide body twin axle Airstreams. Also installed Centramatic wheel balancers and a Dill 1506-453 TPMS system.
These 16" Michelin tires and 16" SenDel wheels were installed on the Edie Bauer models, the Pendleton and 2015 and later 31' Classics. They cheapened the significantly heavier empty weight 2017 two axle 33' Classic with the stock 15" GYM ST225/75R15D tires.
We migrated our 2015 23D International Serenity from the stock
14" GYM ST215/75R14C tires rated 1,870 pounds @ 50 psi and 26.7" in diameter
to
15" Michelin LTX (P) 235/75R15 XL tires rated 2,183 pounds @ 50 psi derated to 1,985 pounds for tailer use and 28.9" in diameter mounted on SenDel T03-56545T wheels that match the design of the ones on the Classic.
This tire is 1.1" larger in diameter than the stock tire and due to a manufacturing defect, we had to trim the front of the curb side wheel opening to match the street side and then they fit fine. We also installed Centramatic wheel balancers and a Dill 1506-453 TPMS system. This trailer has a road ready weight of 6,068 pounds which is 900 pounds lighter than the our 25FB and put the 23D at the same elevation as the 25FB. We saved the Hensley Arrow hitch when the 25FB was traded in on the Classic that got a ProPride hitch (second generation Jim Hensley design) and re-used that Hensley Arrow hitch on the 23D with the same tow vehicle (2007 Mercedes ML320 CDI) and the same hitch setup measurements.
Centramatic Part Numbers for Airstream use:
14" 5 bolt pattern #200-221 standard part
15" 6 bolt pattern #200-221 Special
16" 6 bolt pattern #300-356 all A plates
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2014 31' Classic w/ twin beds, 50 amp service, 1000 watt solar system, Centramatics, Tuson TPMS, 12" disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
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03-10-2017, 02:56 PM
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#59
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Rivet Master
2023 23' International
Macon
, Georgia
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 702
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I inspected my Goodyear Marathons today. I bought the 2014 27 FB International new three years ago next month so the tires are three years old plus however long it was on the dealers lot so, maybe a few months more. I have put about 20,000 total miles on them. They look like brand new, no visible tread wear. After reading the horror stories about these GYM's, should I go ahead and change them out now, or give them another year? We are heading out next month on a 2200 mile trip...
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03-10-2017, 04:39 PM
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#60
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Rivet Master
1986 31' Sovereign
Miami
, Florida
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 3,137
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My GYM's have been fine as well but I am planning to change them out for the new Goodyear ST tires when they age out this Fall (3 plus years).
Probably overkill but after a debacle with four Carlisles blowing out within about 6000 miles of each other, I am not keen at changing tires on the side of the road ever again...
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