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Old 07-10-2014, 02:20 PM   #85
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"...be careful when discussing tire failures. It's easy to make an assumption about the cause of failure that would be completely false and lead one to spend money unnecessarily."

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My personal experience:

• 2005 to 2011 - Owned 6 ST tires; 3 GYMs, 2 Maxxis, 1 Carlisle. Had 3 tire failures; one blowout (GYM) and two belt separations (one GYM and one Maxxis).

• 2011 TO 2014 - Owned 2 LT tires; both 16" Michelin XPS Ribs. No tire failures.

Do I care why the ST tires failed; and do I think I wasted money, unnecessarily? -- No.

It's like in the movie "The Jerk" -- It's the cans, it's the cans!...

Well, duh. It's the (ST) tires!

Just my opinion...
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Old 07-10-2014, 03:02 PM   #86
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I know this thread is about Lt tires, but I just have to chime in. I have owned 12 ST tires, all GYM. My first set I replaced after 7 years. OEM, load range C. Made in Canada. No problems. My second set I replaced after 7 years. Load range C. Made in China. No problem. My third set have been on 2 years. Load Range D. Made in China. Added centramatics for these (noticed open drawers; before, but not after). No problems. I frequently check pressures and usually inspect the tires after about 2hrs of driving. Generally drive at or under the speed limit. And probably the most important fact, I'm up north or in the mountains in the summer. I'm almost never on the road when the air temperatures exceed 80 degrees. Maybe that's my secret... or maybe I've been lucky!
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Old 07-10-2014, 03:10 PM   #87
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I know this thread is about Lt tires, but I just have to chime in. I have owned 12 ST tires, all GYM. My first set I replaced after 7 years. OEM, load range C. Made in Canada. No problems. My second set I replaced after 7 years. Load range C. Made in China. No problem. My third set have been on 2 years. Load Range D. Made in China. Added centramatics for these (noticed open drawers; before, but not after). No problems. I frequently check pressures and usually inspect the tires after about 2hrs of driving. Generally drive at or under the speed limit. And probably the most important fact, I'm up north or in the mountains in the summer. I'm almost never on the road when the air temperatures exceed 80 degrees. Maybe that's my secret... or maybe I've been lucky!
Or maybe, you have that finely tuned skill of exaggeration, that is often attributed to those living in Texas.
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You must be right. I've recently been spending summers in Colorado (Ouray), your neck of the woods. I'm beginning to believe everything a Coloradoan tells me....

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You must be right. I've recently been spending summers in Colorado (Ouray), your neck of the woods. I'm beginning to believe everything a Coloradoan tells me....

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I have 16" Michelins LT's. I am over 40,000 miles without incident. Did a lot of driving (over 20,000 miles) with temps approaching 100 degrees out West.
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Old 07-10-2014, 08:20 PM   #91
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Most people can't tell the difference between 1) a simple punctured tire that gets destroyed because it is being operated flat, 2) a tire that runs over an object that damages the tire and lets all the air out rapidly, and 3) a tire that has a structural failure (not caused by outside influences). People use the word "Blowout" for all 3 of these, but they are quite different things.

The first 2 are just a consequence of the tire being inflated and the risk is the same regardless of the tire manufacturer.

But the last one can be tied to tire manufacturers - as well as operator error.

So be careful when discussing tire failures. It's easy to make an assumption about the cause of failure that would be completely false and lead one to spend money unnecessarily.



In some respects, I am surprised Discount Tire put those tires on your trailer. I just had a run-in with them, and they insisted that I needed to use ST tires for my trailer. Perhaps the difference was the individual store personnel (or management). Nevertheless, just be aware that folks may encounter difficulties changing over from ST tires.
Although it's been many years since I've had a blow out, I do know what one sounds like, and this was definitely a blow out. Besides, I had checked all the tire pressures about 30 minutes before with the TPMS, and all were good.

Even my wife heard it when it went POW, and asked what it was. About five seconds later the TPMS went into alarm, so I know it was working also. Then in another five or so seconds the tread and other rubber parts started flying, which was what did all the damage to the trailer.

Other than the tire, and the damage it did, it was actually a non-event as far as driving the rig was concerned.

We got home about 2 this afternoon, and very tired from driving about 2000 miles in about three days with no trailer brakes, but that's another story. I do not recommend it, by the way.
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very tired from driving about 2000 miles in about three days with no trailer brakes, but that's another story. I do not recommend it, by the way.
That's a teaser for sure! What happened to the brakes? connecting wires torn by the tire, or totally an unrelated issue? Would wires to one wheel ripped off shut down all brakes?

We want know! Well, I do anyway! tell us the other story!"

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Steve, apparently TPMS did not save the trailer from damage?
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That's a teaser for sure! What happened to the brakes? connecting wires torn by the tire, or totally an unrelated issue? Would wires to one wheel ripped off shut down all brakes?

We want know! Well, I do anyway! tell us the other story!"

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Actibrake actuator failed. Totally unrelated to the tire blowout.
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Steve, apparently TPMS did not save the trailer from damage?
No Doug, it will only tell you when you loose some air pressure. In the event of a blowout, the pressure is lost quickly, and then it alarms.

The tire shop that replaced the tire seemed to think it blew out because of a separation, and then after the blow out the tread came off the tire and that's what did the damage to the trailer.

Interesting that I never had an ST tire fail, but because fear of the damage it would cause, went to 16" LT tires a little over two years ago to prevent this exact thing from ever happening. Best laid plans........
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Hi Steve,
Sorry to hear about your problems. Glad Discount Tire took care of things.
We're these BFGs on the 34er when you bought it?


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Sorry to hear about your problems. Glad Discount Tire took care of things.
We're these BFGs on the 34er when you bought it?


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Thanks Lance, no they were the on the 31', and then I bought two more to make a set for the 34'. The one that blew was one of the older ones. It had a build date stamp of 2411, and the best I can calculate it had just under 30K miles on it.

Don't really mind the tire that much, it's all the stuff it destroyed when it went that's bad, but I'll fix it.
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Oh I see. Yeah, a tire isn't such a big deal, but the trailer it shreds is a big deal. Really hate to hear of these things.


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